It’s Finally OVER!!
Friday, October 12th, 2007
Patriot Guard completes work on veteran’s house
Oct 15, 2007 - 04:01:32 CDT
Mission accomplished!In three months time Bob Thorberg’s Mandan home has gone from a date with the wrecking ball to a little piece of heaven.
Back in June the Mandan city commission had gone as far as to award the demolition contract for Thorberg’s home, deeming the dilapidated structure a health hazard.
In stepped Rick Colling, upset with the situation surrounding the aging military veteran, he asked for the opportunity to restore the house into a home suitable for habitation. The city commission gave him that chance.
Colling, a member of the North Dakota Patriot Guard, asked the organization for help financially and in manpower. The organization responded with $3,750, which it requested that Colling match. He did far better, with $7,000 in cash donations and $14,300 in materials.
Perhaps more importantly were the volunteer hours in doing the work. Colling, himself, has worked tirelessly on the project and has been the driving force, as the number of helping hands varied from day-to-day and dwindled the longer the project took.
“I more or less took a leave of absence from work and have been putting in 10 to 14 hour days, seven days a week,” Colling said. “I knew there was going to be a lot of work; what I didn’t know was how much time I’d have to put in.”
The 49-year-old Colling is originally from Bismarck, having moved to Mandan in 2004. He is self-employed as a life insurance agent.
The house, platted in 1889, was in extremely bad condition, Colling said. It had to be gutted and reconstructed. The exterior was reshingled, got new siding and soffit, windows, and the porch was rebuilt. The yard was cleaned. The furnace, dating back to the early 1900s, was replaced with a new forced central air system.
The hardest part was the deconstruction. More than 120 cubic yards of debris was removed as the plaster and lattice came out.
Colling admitted there were days when he didn’t think it would get done. He set a lot of deadlines along the way and never met one. Except the last one.
“I wanted to be done by the pheasant opener and we are, with the exception of a few odds and ends. Bob’s ready to start moving in,” Colling said. “I wanted to see this finished, and that’s what kept me going.”
A lot of credit goes to Craig Haug, Matt Hartl, Randy Lindberg, Darcy Ritter, Tara Hartl and Susan Beehler, according to Colling. They have been the steadiest volunteers, and the expertise they’ve brought has been invaluable.
“The guys that have stuck with it are those that like to do this kind of work. They take a lot of pride in their work and don’t do anything halfway,” Colling said.
The reconstruction of his home has been an ordeal for Thorberg. Two of his three dogs had to be destroyed and the pup given a new home. Not long after this, early in August, Colling found Thorberg sleeping in his bed in the basement unresponsive and nearly comatose. Thorberg was taken to the hospital and was found to be suffering from a blood-borne infection.
Since his release from the hospital, Thorberg has been staying at the Lewis and Clark Hotel, building his strength and awaiting for the chance to move back into the only home he’s ever known.
“Bob’s wishes are to live here, but I’m not so sure how long that might be,” Colling said.
Colling described Thorberg as a bit of a curmudgeon and not always easy to work around. But Thorberg said he’s extremely appreciative of what’s being done for him.
“It’s heaven,” is how Thorberg described the work done on his house. “There’s still a few things to be done, but we’ll take care of that. There have been a lot of people around helping, but not like Rick. He made this all possible.”
The toughest part of the whole process has been all the moving around he’s had to do, Thorberg said.
“First it was upstairs, then downstairs. Then I had to go to the hospital, and now I’m over at the Lewis and Clark,” Thorberg said. “My health is still a problem, but we’ll get that resolved. I was one sick turkey, and I don’t have my strength yet. It’s going to take time to recover.”
Though the construction work is almost done, Colling and some of the other volunteers won’t just be walking away. Colling said he and a few of the others have become fast friends with Thorberg and intend on keeping in touch and checking up on Bob, likely on a weekly basis.
Colling never served in the military, but said he understands the sacrifices the veterans and their families have made. This project is Colling’s way of trying to repay those veterans for the freedom they’ve protected.
(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@;bismarcktribune.com.)
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To Blah Blah: wrote on Oct 21, 2007 2:19 PM:
” I am going to assume you have nothing to offer the community or anyone else anymore than you have to offer these blogs. Rather than be threatened by people who do things for others, why don’t you do something for someone and see if it may change your life or your attitude a bit? What a mean spirited person you are, and I am not surprised you don’t understand the concept of helping someone out. Apparently you are bitter and jealous because maybe no one helps you, but then I doubt anyone could get close enough without getting bit. “
**It Happens** wrote on Oct 20, 2007 2:45 PM:
” Too BlahBlah: You my friend are a complete TOOL!!!!!! What a sad little life you must live. Way to go Ladies N Gents, you are all to be commended on you hard work and dedication on this project…Thank You ALL very much “
blahblah wrote on Oct 20, 2007 12:24 AM:
” ok….so are all the warm huggie feelies done now?? you all have patted each other on the backs–rah rah. lets move onto something noteworthy. so you did something to ‘help’ a guy who more tha n likely wont even keep up with your work you put in. then what?? all you guys wanted with FINALLY posting your names was to be in the spotlight. like i said….RAH flippin RAH. “
Dan (of Dan and Wanda) wrote on Oct 19, 2007 7:54 AM:
” Rick, I want to personally thank you for being the spoke on this wheel. This was a great way for Wanda and I to work together on something we believe in. We had some real good conversations about the project and about life as we worked. Both of us had times when we probably hated each other. We’re human, guys and have our pride. You had to step in with me and straighten me out and I had to intervene between you and Bob at times. I saw a man who put his daughter first. I saw you drop everything when she called and needed you. I saw how you two interacted when she was on the job site. I saw a man who celebrated when Nicole was around and CONSTANTLY talked about how proud you are in her new job. I also saw a man deeply humbled by the media coverage, resisting it when he could and asking me to step in at times to explain (for the hundredth time) what we were doing there. I saw you argue with Bob but alway being the first to care about his personal health, welfare and home. Rick, you are the reason this didn’t die after a week or two with only a general cleanup being the final results. Everytime you or I opened a wall, we would look at each other and typically say, “Well, let’s see what this brings us!” You mastered the Febreeze/Bleach sprayer sanitizing the area being worked on. Thanks for being there to make the tough decisions (some which resulted in early retirement) when they were needed. I personally apologize if I ever questioned your value on this project. You were what made this work. Double Zulu Bravo to you, Bro’ “
Craig Haug wrote on Oct 18, 2007 10:18 AM:
” It is difficult to remember, and thank, everyone who has donated to this project, but the people who I need to thank the most are my beautiful wife, Kris, and my great kids, Jeffrey and Nicolette. THANK YOU!! They are to ones who were sacrificed the most, their Husband and Dad, for the whole summer while I was at “Bob’s” again. Also,Thank You to everyone who gave the PGR the money, material and time to complete this project. All of Mandan is a better place because of this. “
Kris Haug wrote on Oct 18, 2007 9:16 AM:
” Rick has spent alot of time thanking everyone who helped, however, he really was the driving force behind all of this. He was tireless and unrelenting when things were really scary (anyone who’s been in that basement knows really scary!) He was the one who spent every waking moment there to get things done. Yes, everyone else pitched in and did as much as they could and then gave more, but Rick, you truely are one of a kind and I am a better person for knowing you. Thanks for everything you did and continue to do for Bob. I hope he realizes how lucky he is that someone like you cared enough to step up to the plate! “
To Good Question wrote on Oct 18, 2007 7:20 AM:
” As has been mentioned before, the PGR helps veterans. It is not that these other 2 houses cannot be finished, they just are not being finished. The one on Collins is a terrible eyesore and has been going on forever, it seems. I am not sure where the other one is located, but have an idea. These 2 people are not unable to do the work, just have not done it. “
Rick Colling SA SBMC, PGR HOTH Commitee wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:30 PM:
” Taking an enormous weight off of me was Doug Niebauer and his crew, Ronny, Ernie, a son-in-law and the others completing the windows, siding and fascia, soffiting and gutters. Its looks fantastic and got us our extensions. Nice workmanship. Behind the scenes are their families, Thank you to Kris, Tarra and Wanda for giving up Craig, Matt and Dan for more than you would have liked. Thank you to all the children for being patient while your fathers and mothers where off working on BOB’S HOUSE !! Thank you to my parents Bill and Mary for raising me right and for being patient while I was missing from their lives and putting off things they needed to get done until I was available. My Sisters for help with entertaining my daughter. My daughter Liberty for her help and giving up most of her summer vacation with her Dad and missing out on a few things we would have liked to do. A special thank you to my beautiful girlfriend Nicole for all her help and her late night encouragement when times got tough, her waiting for me to quit work and especially for not giving up on me. Finally to my Lord and Almighty Creator. Thank you for giving me the strength to continue day in, and day out, answering all of our prayers, keeping us safe, and thank you for helping me to become a better person. I am proud to have been a part of this project and serving the PGR in this capacity was an great honor. I will remember this one for life. Too each and every one of you, you have my deepest gratitude”Love and Respect. We are our brother’s keeper! What’s next? “
Mary K wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:29 PM:
” Now the “Feel Good” crowd is happy. “
RC continued wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:27 PM:
” Special thanks go to Laurie’s Banner, Sign and Print for the thank you banner. Maureen and Timeless Spa for keeping Bob spiffy and making him look twenty years younger! Thank you to Grant Ehli for the great food and his parents for doing a wonderful job of raising this young man the right way. For the donations of cash. PGR National for their donation and their commendable reputation, the countless PGR Members, Rough Rider Harley Davidson, Mann Trucking, Sewing Machines Plus, and unknown Vietnam Vet. Next are the volunteers that made it all come together. I can only attempt to list them! John B, Greg, Mike, Jason, Prospect Sparky, Prospect Guido, Brother Beanz, Carl, Amy and Doug, the Civil Air Patrol, Mitch, Al, Lisa, and her neighbor boys. Susan’s husband Jeff and their teens, Carol and Kristen and many others. I know I am missing some. Special mention goes to Darcy Ritter from DLR construction for his expert advice and framing skills. To Craig Haug for playing musical chairs with the water heater and furnace, and taking care of my plumbing nightmares and just being a rock in the storms. Dan Beesheival for the Kitchen and Bathroom design. Matt Hartl for burning the candle at both ends to help with anything and everything. Tarra for cleaning and the administrative end of things, Jim Zoog, a neighbor for helping me with the doors and linoleum, Terrell Tousend for taping, Joey for her fundraising while MIA. Randy and Kathy Lindborg for electrical installation. Randy with his moral support for me. Suzy B. for the staining and varnishing the cabinets and trim and most of all taking care of Bob’s needs. Purple Hearts go out to Dan and Wanda B. for taking a ceiling collapse in stride and the tetanus shots to follow. Dan B. gets a Bravo Zulu on the photographs old and new. “
RC continued wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:26 PM:
” Next without the building materials donated by local businesses, volunteers would only have been able to clean up, which would not have saved the house nor gotten the permit. We all could see the house needed more than just clean up. We started out with help from PGR national and where asked to match by getting more donations. Still we only had about $5600.00 dollars total at that time. Not enough to do the project and the city knew it. Here’s where I went out on a limb. I felt that the whole thing got enough press that I would be able to go to local suppliers and get donations of material’s as we needed them. All is I needed to do was ask. I was correct. Local businessmen liked what the PGR does and stands for and overwhelmingly and graciously got behind the project and made donations allowing this project to go forward. This gave me a renewed confidence to run with that mind set that everyone wanted to be part of this project and whom I was going to give the opportunities too? Our biggest debt of gratitude is to the donors and I would like to thank the following local business and the individuals within them that made this happen. CR Home products for the siding, Norandex/Reynolds for the soffits and fascia, Gutter Professionals, Miller Insulation, Ed’s Heating & Air, Central Mechanical Inc., SBS systems, Border States Electric, AJB/ Encore Wire, Leingang Century Siding and Windows, Thermoline Windows, Front Street Millwork & Lumber Company, Dakota Drywall, D & D Drywall, Columbia Paints, Sherwin Williams, Cole Paper & Flooring Co. and Strada Concrete. Without your material donations this project would not have been possible. “
Rick Colling SA SBMC, PGR HOTH Commitee wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:25 PM:
” Out on the limb and with a whole lot of Prayer! I received an email from the State HOTH coordinator Tarra Hartl about a disabled veteran who was going to loose his home in Mandan to demolition by a city commission vote. I sit on the committee that oversees HOTH projects. I did my research into what had transpired to date with the Thorberg issue and the City of Mandan, and I felt it warranted a deeper look into this man’s situation. Tarra Mitch and I met over at the house to do a walk through and assess the viability of the structure. What we found was a sound foundation and a building unfit for human habitation but structurally sound and a disabled old veteran who was beaten down and basically had given up control of his destiny in all sense of the word. How was he to fight this fight? Impossible! And an old saying “Can’t fight city hall” almost played out. Thanks to the majority of citizens who where uncomfortable with the votes of city commissioners already on issues that effect everyone who lives here. People voiced there opinions loud enough that when approached the city was looking for anyway to make this situation better for them in the eyes of the constituents than it was looking like it was going to be. Therefore my first thank you goes to the City of Mandan for starting the whole process in the first place. In steps the Patriot Guard Riders and their reputation of honoring the fallen heroes of our country asking the city to allow them to help make this veteran’s situation better. Left with a constituent base that was calling for new blood at the helm over this. I would have to say doing the right thing might have been the easiest choice considering the reputation of the organization that was asking. For doing the right thing and issuing a building permit I thank the Mayor, the City Commissioners, City Assessor and the city building inspector of the City of Mandan ND. “
Susan Westerfield PGR Tn HOTH Coordinator wrote on Oct 17, 2007 8:49 PM:
” If I have said it once I’ve said it a thousand times…….. It is an honor & privledge to be associated with an organization such as the PGR. God Bless you all for your selfless sacrifices.You will be remembered by the one that counts the most! Susan41 “
Good Question wrote on Oct 17, 2007 8:28 PM:
” So when is it going to be fair. There are 2 other homes and fair is fair. “
Credit To The Donors? wrote on Oct 17, 2007 8:22 PM:
” Kinda noticed the financial donors got pushed into the background. I’m sure some of them deserve some credit. “
To Hog Man: wrote on Oct 17, 2007 5:42 PM:
” You’re so right, the PGR certainly did a wonderful thing and changed that Veteran’s life, but in no way should be expected to do that for everyone. They help veterans, which is a wonderful cause. It may have turned out to be a much bigger job than they expected, after all, the house was literally condemned, but they didn’t quit and saw it through. What a wonderful way to help a veteran and show appreciation to that veteran. Go PGR’s! “
Hog Man wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:42 AM:
” As for the PGR “stepping in to fix up the other two houses on the chopping block,” all I can say is HUH??? The group stepped up to the plate to help out a veteran who was in a dire situation. I know for a fact that one of those other two homes belongs to a millionaire. Don’t compare apples and oranges. The PGR learned a valuable lesson here. They most likely bit off a bit more than they expected to chew on, and thanks to Rick and the others with their selfless dedication, they still made it happen. “
To Baby T: wrote on Oct 16, 2007 8:25 PM:
” Why is this nice kind act being used to make jabs at the city? Can’t anything nice ever happen without someone putting a negative slant to it? Really! “
To BabyT: wrote on Oct 16, 2007 3:47 PM:
” Are you really saying the city should become responsible for fixing up people’s houses? You’re kidding, right? We are all responsible for our own, and Bob got lucky and had an energetic and dedicated organization decide to help him. The others on the chopping block can either get an organization to help if they can prove need, or do it themselves, like the rest of us. To suggest the city provide money to fix up homes is, in my opinion, assinine. Where would it stop? Why can’t this community outreach be left for what it was, and not be made into a city responsibility? I think what those people did to help Bob was awesome and a true selfless act for someone who needed it. “
Soldier wrote on Oct 16, 2007 1:32 PM:
” To Fair is Fair: First of all, what a pointless comment. It is well known that the PGR is there to help VETERANS in any way possible. The other two homes that are on the chopping block do not belong to veterans (atleast to my knowledge anyway). Second, both of those owners have the means to get the job done and have chose not to for reasons of their own. One I believe was quoted by the tribune as stating because he had to pay taxes he didn’t have the money, or something along those lines. If you don’t think it is fair that these other 2 homes are up for possible demolition, why don’t you step up and get something started to help them out. “
Dan and Wanda wrote on Oct 16, 2007 1:30 PM:
” To Fair is fair, each project is reviewed for actual need and is restricted to soldiers and veterans and family. A project this size will probably not be taken on in the near future because donators have have tapped out for the year. Smaller projects (water heaters, simple plumbing, simple electrical, laying flooring or replacing a window) can be faciitated much easier than another $15,000, 4 month long one. BUT they can happen much more easily if VOLUNTEERS STEP FORWARD. Rick took on an enormous amount of responsibility on this project. Sometimes totally alone. Try working a construction job for 14 hours a day, seven days a week for 4 months and see how easy it is. “
HBIC wrote on Oct 16, 2007 1:22 PM:
” Bless your souls….you will have a special place in Heaven for doing such wonderful things for others. These types of deeds are just what Jesus wants us to do on Earth, and you all are such great examples of human kindness and selflessness. “
MT PGR member wrote on Oct 16, 2007 11:24 AM:
” Rick, Randy, Tarra, Matt, Craig, Darcy, Susan, and all the rest of the volunteers that made this project work - YOU ARE WHAT THE PGR IS ALL ABOUT!! You have shown in an extraordinary way that the PGR does more than honor fallen heroes, send our loved ones off to be in harms way, or welcome them safely back home. While these are our primary missions, and always will be, as you have shown we do much more. Supporting and honoring our brave men and women in the Armed Forces, active and non-active, in any way we can is our mission. I am proud to call you my brothers and sisters. “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” “
Susan Beehler wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:59 AM:
” There were so many who gave of their time and resources, thanks Dan for recognizing those who were not mentioned previously, many times people were working on a day when others may not have been seen or were behind the scenes. Matt and Randy brought light, (electricity) to Bob’s once insulated, black bagged rooms. Not only has Bob’s house been transformed but Bob has under gone a transformation and quit some unhealthy habits, habits he may not have given up if the outpouring of neighborly love, and compassion had not been there. This project was truly uplifting to all who gave and a plus to our community. I am grateful for the Lewis and Clark Building owners Josh and Titus for allowing Bob to rent a place for such a short term, not all landlords would have been so accomadating. This would not have happened if the community would have not step forward, great things can happen when we think they can and just do it. BRAVO!!!! “
Becky wrote on Oct 16, 2007 7:44 AM:
” TO Bewildered this is a thought i had during the might, you would be the same type of person that would move to a city where they have a Marine Corps Jet Base, meaning they have at the very least Harrier Jets. move to the end of the run way area. then complain about the noise. when the runway, not to mention the base has been there for many many many years before the houseing area. i am not talking about base house either. i am talking about private houseing area. like i have said before, if you don’t like the noise MOVE TO THE COUNTRY. should be plenty quite out there. “
Dan and Wanda wrote on Oct 16, 2007 7:34 AM:
” We are so grateful to have gotten to know Bob Thorberg and worked with a great crew on this project. I want to thank Diana and Harlow Bales for the great job of refinishing Bob’s kitchen table and chairs. I want to thank Wanda’s parents for donating a dresser, rocker/recliner, radio and clock. Thanks too to Doug and his crew who sided the house. Bean and his co worker for sheetrocking the ceiling. They guy whose name I forgot for the taping job. Maureen for all her special help with Bob. Susan and her kids and their friends for putting strong backs into moving the heavy stuff. Thanks to Grant Ehli and his parents for bringing us the great food. All the people who came by and chatted with us as we worked and gave us some historical insight about Bob’s family. Most of all I want to thank Wanda for putting her all into removing the lathe and plaster from the walls and braving uncharted kitchen cupboards for salvagable items. The prayers, donations and support has been overwhelming. Thanks to Bob for showing us that compassion for others should not stop where your comfort zone ends. “
Fair is Fair wrote on Oct 16, 2007 6:13 AM:
” So when will the PGR be tackling the other 2 Mandan homes that are on the chopping block? “
Susan Beehler wrote on Oct 15, 2007 10:04 PM:
” Thank you! Rick for a job well done. Thank you! to Dan, Wanda, Lisa, the civil air patrol, Daine. Jim, and all the neighbors, the merchants and unnamed supporters for all the help, time, food and money. On Saturday we will be celebrating this volunteer effort with a open house at Bob’s 2pm to 4pm. Come out and see the transformation! “
Chuck M wrote on Oct 15, 2007 9:39 PM:
” I first heard of this when I visited Mandan in July 2007. My daughter and son-in-law live in Mandan and knew of my involvement with the Texas PGR. I have just been brought up to date on the progress that has been made. Congrats to the PGR in ND. Keep up the good work and ride safe. God bless “
Kansas girl wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:17 PM:
” What a wonderful story, Thank you to those of you that worked so tirlessly on this project. God bless you for the good hearts you have and the helping hands. I know the people from ND have been raised to help there neighbors, But you have gone the extra mile. “
Racist Biker wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:16 PM:
” Sorry Becky meant to go after Bewildered. “
Racist Biker wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:15 PM:
” I was wondering when someone was going to make a stupid comment about how bad bikers are even when there is story like this. Thanks Becky nice to know the intolerant people of Bismarck still haven’t changed. “
Becky wrote on Oct 15, 2007 6:15 PM:
” TO Bewildered enough about the loud pipes, it has been beat to the ground. if you don’t like the loud pipes move, to the country or something. i live in town and hardly ever hear the loud pipes of a motorcycle. even when i do no big deal they move on, my husband and i ride with the PGR, even when there is a very large group, many different kinds of motorcycles in the group. it is not that loud. get over it, it is always somebody like YOU that has to ruin a nice heartwarming story. “
Joey Miller wrote on Oct 15, 2007 12:19 PM:
” Great job Rick, Tarra, Susan and Everybody involved. You made a dream come true for Bob and restored many peoples faith in humanity. Without people like you out there all hope for people in Bob’s situation would be gone. Keep up the good work and God bless all of you. Joey “
Bewildered wrote on Oct 15, 2007 12:11 PM:
” I don’t get it. I’m bewildered as to how on one hand the Patriot Guard can do something so nice and descent as re-building this man’s home; and then on the other hand they fight the majority of the citizens who want peace and quiet from noisy motorcycles through a noise oridnance. “
Citizen wrote on Oct 15, 2007 11:58 AM:
” Congratulations to all of those involved. Some donated blood and sweat, some donated materials, some donated money, and everyone involved got the project done. Margaret Mead, the great American anthropologist once said, “never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” “
Margaret Bitz wrote on Oct 15, 2007 10:05 AM:
” Here is one person who has taken to heart Jesus’ message: He has sent me to bring glad tidings to the poor, to proclaim liberty to captives, recovery of sight to the blind and release to prisoners Luke 4:18-19. to do what Rick Culling has done is what it means to be bring about the Kingdom Jesus talked about. Rick surely had unconditional love, which is the highest form of love, in taking on this job. He kept at it even when Thorberg was a curmudgeon; even when the number of volunteers dwindled; even when he had to kick in a lot of his own money. Whether Rick knows it or not; whether he is Catholic or not he manifested to the highest degree the Catholic Social Justice principles: respect for the life and dignity of the person; caring for the poor and vulnerable; standing in solidarity with someone who may have been difficult to love. Would that we, not only praise this man, but transform our own lives in such a way. “
sarahr wrote on Oct 15, 2007 9:45 AM:
” I love reading stories like this—Keep it up Patriot Guard…God Bless each of you. “
BabyT wrote on Oct 15, 2007 9:04 AM:
” We need to use some of that diesel money that is currently building parking lots and expensive intersections, and instead hire the PG to fix up some of the run down areas of Mandan. (Which we certainly have no shortage of!) “
JMR wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:33 AM:
” This is what being a Dakotaian and an American is all about. Put these people in office and kick the rats out. “
KB wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:32 AM:
” This is such a wonderful story. If the media hadn’t told the story of the impending demolition this could have had a different ending. This could be the beginning of something good, if people know about situations like this they will come forward to help. “
Greg wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:28 AM:
” Nice story. Inspiring! “
Neal H. Heupel wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:20 AM:
” God bless you all, each and everyone for your hard work and dedication to this massive undertaking. You are all truly great Americans. Someday I hope to shake everyone’s hand for what you have accomplished, and all I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart . . . “
duaner wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:18 AM:
” The Patriot Guard is a great example of how things should be in America. Neighbors helping neighbors through the troubles that they experience. Keep up the good work! “
Well Done, PGR! wrote on Oct 15, 2007 8:03 AM:
” Kudos to the PGR for their efforts on this project, especially Rick. Let’s just hope that Bob doesn’t neglect his newly remodeled home like before. “
wonderful people wrote on Oct 15, 2007 7:35 AM:
” You should be proud of what you accomplished. Thank you. “
always watching from a far wrote on Oct 15, 2007 7:12 AM:
” Now, that it is a small sampling of what a great Mandan could be! “
Amazed wrote on Oct 15, 2007 6:55 AM:
” Commendable. Absolutely commendable! “
Kudos!! wrote on Oct 15, 2007 6:43 AM:
” Thank you Rick, the Patriot Guard and all volunteers who made this possible for Bob. You’ve done an extraordinary job and your selflessness does not go unnoticed. We are in awe of everything that has been accomplished with this project. There should be more people in the world who are able and willing to give like Rick, the Patriot Guard and volunteers have. GOOD JOB to everyone involved. “Susan Beehler wrote on Oct 14, 2007 10:38 PM:
” Tonight Bob is sleeping in his new refurbished home. Thank you! Rick for the endless hours we could have not done it without. Thank you! to all who donated building materials, money,food and refreshements for the volunteers. It was a huge undertaking and the community pulled through to make it a reality! “
ND VET wrote on Oct 14, 2007 10:24 PM:
” I’m glad that all is done with the house, or will be soon!! I could not volunteer due to leaving in MN, but I watched very close, reading bismarck tribune online and also had a friend that helped on the house. Good luck to Bob! “
BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Oct 14, 2007 9:27 PM:
” I salute your great efforts Mr. Rick Colling. You talk the talk and walk the walk, how rare. There is a special place in Karma land for you pal. I am very proud to know you. “
guardwife wrote on Oct 14, 2007 8:47 PM:
” Thanks for all your hard work Mr. Colling and the rest of the volunteers. God Bless each of you. “
julir wrote on Oct 14, 2007 8:20 PM:
” North Dakotans are great. Stories like this make me proud of my home state. Vets like Bob Thorberg are out there and do need community help once in awhile. I’m glad his community stepped up and helped him out when he needed it. They all deserve 3 cheers and a pat on the back. “
rettev wrote on Oct 14, 2007 5:22 PM:
” There are still great people in this world. Here’s to Colling and the rest of the vols. you’re selfless work to help a vet in trouble is to be commended. ”
Thorberg home fix-up gets 30-day extension
Aug 22, 2007 - 04:03:39 CDT
The volunteer group bringing Bob Thorberg’s home back into livable condition will have until Sept. 30 to complete the work.The Mandan City Commission provided an extension for the renovation at Tuesday’s meeting. Earlier this year, the commission had intended to tear down the dilapidated structure, going as far as awarding a demolition contract.
But that’s when the Patriot Guard Riders’ Help on the Home Front group got involved under the direction of Rick Colling. Since then, a lot of work has been put into repairing the lifelong home of Thorberg, an Army veteran who is now retired.
“It’s going really good and I’m pleased with the progress we made,” Colling said. “The heat set us back quite a bit, and volunteerism dwindled at that point, but it’s picked up.”
Colling added that there has been overwhelming support from the community in providing materials, supplies and donations.
“I couldn’t be more pleased,” Colling said. “It turned from a little remodel to an extreme makeover.”
Recently, Thorberg was hospitalized with some health issue, but Colling told the commission that Thorberg was taking care of the medical problems and is going to recover.
Commissioner Sandra Tibke made the motion to provide a 30-day extension for the improvements to the home. It was unanimously approved by the commission, which was two members short.
“That’s what we’ve set for a completion date,” Colling said. “That’s the date that we’ve chosen for completion, and we want to walk away at that time.”
(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@;bismarcktribune.com.)Thorberg home fix-up gets 30-day extension
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Been helping at BOB’s wrote on Aug 25, 2007 5:36 PM:
” The Patriot Guard took on this project to help out a vet, who served this great country. We as Patriot Guard Riders are grateful for what EVERY vet. did for this country of ours and we show it by supporting any current or past military vets. Maybe Do unto should show his/hers Patriotism by helping the PGR support our military people by volinteering some time at Bob house or help out some other vet. The Patriot Guard is a “permanent cause” and we will be there to support our vets long after Bobs house if finished. We are not going to fade away. We will help support vets any way that we can, with whatever means we have. Join the project, it will make you feel good about yourself. “
Not serious wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:38 PM:
” I hope “Do Unto” is not serious. Yes, it is wonderful the Patriot Guard Riders stepped up to the plate on this home and vet, but they shouldn’t be responsible for every vet that needs help. I think they have done their job in showing what can be done…and maybe it is up to other citizens to step in and help each other out. The Patriot Guard Riders proved it can work…so now others should step in and do their part … if they feel it is important to them. “
Kansas girl wrote on Aug 22, 2007 3:55 PM:
” God Bless for your Kind hearts in being willing to help someone in need, The world needs more people like you all. Thank you from Kansas Girl who reads the paper online and misses being in Bismarck. “
ND PGR RC wrote on Aug 22, 2007 1:53 PM:
” It would be impossible for the Patriot Guard Riders to facilitate renovation projects for vets in needs let alone ALL the vets. This project has tempered our organization with the heat of time restraints and initially cost restraints. Participation has not been overwhelming but those who have shown up are very dedicated and willing to work hard. I personally want to thank Susan Beehler for all her work helping Bob with his financial and medical concerns, Tara Hartl and Help on the Homefront for their work managing this project. The contractors, suppliers and donating public for assisting in cost reduction and covering thos costs. I especially want to thank Rick “Flaps” Colling of the Second Brigade MC for his exhaustive support of Bob’s project. It’s been a labor or love for him. He was the one who alerted the medical staff when Bob wasn’t feeling well. We all can’t wait to get Bob back in a home he deserves and help him maintain it with our calls and visits. “
Dan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:14 AM:
” I saw the news story on KX last night. What a transformation! Flaps, you’ve done an outstanding job coordinating this project!! Well done, HOTH. Well done. “
Do unto wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:09 AM:
” I think it would be a good idea for the Patriot Guard Riders to do this as a permanent cause. Go around to all the vet’s homes in the metro area and fix them up with their volunteer help and donated supplies and money. After all, if they can make a case for doing it for one person; surely they can justify doing it for others. ”
Community spirit making a difference
By SUSAN BEEHLER
Mandan
I would like to commend Mandan Mayor Ken LaMont and the Mandan City Commission for granting 30 days to the Patriot Guard Help on the Home Front, the neighbors and others who have come together to help a man, Bob Thorberg, on the brink of losing his home, to transform his house on Sixth Avenue Northwest in Mandan.It is not easy for any government entity to have to make a difficult decision and come back two weeks later and change direction. The commission has allowed community spirit to take action and make a difference.
A great lesson can be learned from helping our neighbors, and government allowing it to take place.
Mayor LaMont, Commissioners Dan Ulmer, Sandra Tibke, Tim Helbling and Jerome Gangl, City Administrator Jim Neubauer, City Attorney Malcolm Brown, Assessor Richard Barta and the staff in his office have let it happen.
Volunteers have contributed more 80 hours to date, and financial contributors from as far west as California and as far east as Washington, D.C., have given almost $7,000.
TARRA - wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:34 AM:
” GREAT EDITORIAL today that everyone should read!! Recently, in Mandan, a veteran came into the news. His house was in ill-repair to the point where the city had issued a demolition order. While all this was happening there was an undercurrent of comments by some folks, suggesting that the man didn’t deserve help just because he was a veteran. That veterans were no better than anyone else and do not deserve better. Frankly, most veterans would agree with that. What they wouldn’t agree with is the snide tone of these detractors. THANK YOU EDITOR!! http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/23/news/opinion/editorials/136643.txt “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 19, 2007 6:40 AM:
” To Re: commission, My answer to your questions; issues are not so simple, an objective is. My opinion is the main objective is preventing someone from becoming homeless and helping a senior citizen, disabled vet to remain in his home a while longer, while treating him with dignity and respect. The city by allowing the 30 day time period and the building permit has given the volunteers the legal ability to obtain that main objective for this I am grateful. What is your point ? “
Re: Our Commission: wrote on Jul 18, 2007 9:39 PM:
” So what is the real issue then? Is it the due process thing, following ordinances, or fixing up a neighbor’s house to help him out? What end result do people want, the city looking bad, the volunteers looking good, or Bob’s house being fixed? What is the issue here? I doubt anyone who really wants to help is thinking twice because of the firestorm. If I believed that helping was the thing to do, I would do it regardless of the political attachments. I don’t think it will chase away anyone with the true spirit of helping. “
To - Re: Our Commission wrote on Jul 18, 2007 7:46 PM:
” I thought the fuss was all about “due process” and the city following their own laws. They didn’t follow their own rules at all when voted for the Thorburg demolition. (Did they?) “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 18, 2007 6:51 PM:
” To Re:Commission The people working on this project do not have anything against the city, it is not a statement it is the truth. The PGR Help on the Homefront volunteers want to help a veteran. Your vindictiveness needs to be directed against me. Do not lump this “group” with the victim attitude you have about me and the city. Most of the volunteers are not even Mandan residents and really could careless about the governing body, the only thing they care is being able to work with the city. I am the one who seeks accountablity from our governing body, I can’t make someone look bad. There was no initial outburst, I only stated what I believed was not a precedence the city should set. Get rid of the victim mentality it is very negative to growing community spirit. Your blog is “nasty” . “
jiminy wrote on Jul 18, 2007 5:41 PM:
” You wrote: “I guess I would think that after this, there shouldn’t be any more hazardous or unpleasant pieces of property presented to the commission, the community will now become proactive and fix up all properties that are in danger before the ax falls. Or will they wait until the city’s hand is forced again to make decisions as unpleasant as this one was?” For those in certain organization’s that are volunteering to help (such as the help on the homefront) this has nothing to do with the city and they may help in the future if they are able to raise funds and the person in need is a veteran, military, or family. For them it has nothing to do with the city or any other property. It’s just about a vet who needed them. A lot of the volunteers don’t even live in Mandan OR even Bismarck. I would hope that community members would step up and help their neighbors but if they have watched this story Lord only knows if they will help or run far far away for fear of getting caught up in the firestorm. Has this situation caused the volunteer spirit to come out or will it cause would-be volunteers to stay out of it to avoid the poison that has been spewed? Only time will tell. “
Re: Our Commission: wrote on Jul 18, 2007 4:47 PM:
” It has been stated that the people working on this project have nothing against the city commission. I seem to recall some nasty blogs, a not-so-complimentary letter to the editor, people questioning due process and ordinances, and all kinds of other things outside the actual fixing up of this house. My first thought, and still is, is that the initial response was to the actions of the city, the legalities, the ethics, and any other issues that could be brought up. I maintain, and always will, that the initial outburst was geared toward making the city look bad. That attitude surely diminishes the good deeds and stirred the pot along the way, although the end result will be the same, the house will get fixed. But I saw several alternative motives, some much more obvious than others, to make sure everyone thought the city made a mistake. I guess I would think that after this, there shouldn’t be any more hazardous or unpleasant pieces of property presented to the commission, the community will now become proactive and fix up all properties that are in danger before the ax falls. Or will they wait until the city’s hand is forced again to make decisions as unpleasant as this one was? “
jiminy crickets wrote on Jul 18, 2007 3:23 PM:
” The people working on this project have nothing against the city commissioners. It’s not a war. It wasn’t them wanting to get rid of a house and the helpers wanting to save it and the helpers won… it’s not like that at all. I think that the city is glad that there is help for this man and relieved that they don’t have to demolish his home. Susan has always been very factual and truth seeking. While some people may consider that a pain in the butt I would call it a concerned citizen who is doing her best to help her community become a better place. If the city doesn’t like it then those in office should get out. They are there to serve the public. They signed up for this. It’s their job to listen to her and the rest of their constituents. And they did, hence where we are today, working on a home instead of having it torn down. Susan can’t even say “thank you” without being ripped to shreds. She is someone that could, and from I know HAS, gotten a lot done in the community. If you want to be so rude to everyone like that be prepared for a lot less active and helpful citizens in your community. You’re chasing them away! I know that I will definitely think twice before reaching out and helping next time. None of us deserve the poor treatment we have received in response to HELPING someone!! “
Golden Rule wrote on Jul 18, 2007 2:12 PM:
” To Shocked. Out of one side of your mouth you commend Susan Beehler, then out the other side of your mouth you accuse her of constant bashing. So what is it? Are you blind, deaf and dumb? Under her encouragement and that of many others, the home of a needy Mandan citizen is being repaired instead of being bulldozed into oblivion by the orders of a then nearly out of control City Commission. It is terribly sad this project has generated so much ill will, at least among the individuals who use the Tribune Blog. The opposite should be happing, the project should be generating tremendous goodwill and perhaps, outside of the Tribune Blog, it is. “
Re: Our Commission: wrote on Jul 18, 2007 2:03 PM:
” Our Commission and Administrators did what they had to do at the time, be it pleasant or not. After all the time and warnings and requests, the action they took was appropriate for the situation. Our community does have input into it’s own positive destiny, and it’s refreshing to see our citizens working with the commission rather than working against them all the time. It does make a difference, doesn’t it? Our commission letting the community take action? I wouldn’t have expected anything less. The last thing they wanted to do was take that home, but there were no options left. We have a good commission that acts on facts and needs of the community, maybe our community is finally realizing that. Thanks to our commission for all their work on all the complicated issues they have had in front of them. I, for one, appreciate it. “
To Shocked wrote on Jul 18, 2007 1:44 PM:
” What you call bashing I call seeking the truth. Go Susan. “
Shocked wrote on Jul 18, 2007 8:34 AM:
” I would like to commend Susan Beehler for, for once displaying a positive-community-bonding attitude towards the mayor, city commission, and administration. Maybe the “great lesson” that she has finally learned is that you garner more with a positive attitude than one of constant bashing. “
Native son wrote on Jul 18, 2007 7:36 AM:
” The Patriot Guard and the citizens of Mandan can stand proud for helping someone in need. Mandan is indeed a good place to live and raise a family. ”
Vets earned good, fair treatment
How Americans, so often flag waving and patriotic, treat their veterans, especially those injured while serving, seems peculiar.A recently released report shows an unusual range of disability pay awarded to veterans from state to state. It suggests not all veterans are being treated fairly. In New Mexico, the average disability pay awarded in 2005 was $12,395. The national average: $8,890. And in North Dakota, that number was $8,237. A lack of record keeping by the Department of Veteran Affairs makes determining the reasons for the differences difficult. This from an agency famous for paper and forms.
Coupled with the revelations last year about the poor care at the Walter Reed Medical Center, the disability pay issue should have Americans concerned about not just existing veterans, but about the care soldiers serving in Afghanistan and Iraq will get once they are home.
President Bush has an opportunity with the resignation last week of the VA’s top man, Jim Nicholson, to put serious leadership in place in the agency. With that, Bush should direct the VA to clean up its act, becoming a thoroughly professional organization with clear accountability and performance standards. The administration and Congress then ought to prepare legislation to give the VA the tools and financial support to do right by this nation’s soldiers.
How can we do anything else?
Recently, in Mandan, a veteran came into the news. His house was in ill-repair to the point where the city had issued a demolition order. That’s the sad part of the story. Once people found out about his plight, they began to rally resources to help him. The city backed off. And things might work out. While all this was happening there was an undercurrent of comments by some folks, suggesting that the man didn’t deserve help just because he was a veteran. That veterans were no better than anyone else and do not deserve better. Frankly, most veterans would agree with that. What they wouldn’t agree with is the snide tone of these detractors.
And, yes, not every veteran is a nice man or a nice woman. Not every veteran ends up being a model citizen. That’s just life.
But we need to support our troops when they are in battle zones and when they return home after the fighting is done. It’s not that soldiers and former soldiers want or deserve more, but that they’ve paid a certain price. They’ve given of themselves, in sometimes difficult situations, and there can be personal consequences. Some of those consequences require help, maybe from the VA or maybe from neighbors.
Whatever happens, veterans ought to be treated fairly and equitably. Supporting our troops does not end when the fighting is over.
Neal H. Heupel wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:03 AM:
” Did anyone wonder why the house was in disrepair? I guess not. What most people may not understand is that not all veterans come back the whole complete person they once were before they served our country; some come back changed by physical or emotional disabilities. It greatly impairs ones ability to keep a house in good shape and prime condition. I have had neighbors in the past who were quiet, even a bit reclusive, and they lived in older less attended homes, but bottom line, that is still that person’s home. You take that away, and that person is now one of the many homeless we have in America. That is a real shame to send someone to their death, simply because no one cared: how many North Dakota winter days would he survive. Did any of you caring neighbors ever ask what was up, why this man had difficulty maintaining his property? Sad, that it takes a newspaper article to make a difference. Sure, I agree a coat of paint doesn’t cost that much, but until it is painted on the house, it isn’t anymore use to you and this man then when it sits in the store waiting to be purchased. Did you good folks offer to help paint? Must not have, sounds like it took other caring individuals to step up and make a difference. I bet public record would even show that some of you caring neighbors filed that that led to this complaint and subsequent demolition order. Shame on all of you for not offering anything more then lame excuse for your actions. Let’s hope you are never impaired to the point of inability, and let’s pray that you at least end up with better neighbors. God bless you all, and forgive you your over sight. The Nation that Forgets its Defenders Will Itself be Forgotten . . . “
here we go again wrote on Jul 26, 2007 9:02 AM:
” The problem is not whether he is a veteran or not, a Martian or not, or a farmer or not. The problem is that this house has been in disrepair for at least 10 years, when I first saw it. I moved away for a few years, and when I came back the house looked a lot worse. Ten years ago he talked a lot about what improvements he wanted to make to the house. Nothing has happened in this time. How much time should someone get? We aren’t talking major renovation - home owners just need to do general repairs. A coat of paint doesn’t cost that much but some homeowners can’t even seem to do that much. “
Not about a Vet: wrote on Jul 25, 2007 11:21 AM:
” People, this issue is not about him being a vet, it is about the unsanitary and most likely unsafe and unhealthy condition and disrepair of him home!! He is not being treated any differently than anyone else who let their home fall into such disrepair, making conditions bad for himself and the neighborhood. If you drive past his home, it is completely gutted!! That’s what this is about - the condition of his home, not the fact that he was a vet, which really has nothing to do with the initial issue and the facts on which the city commission based their decision. He is not being treated poorly or any differently than any other person would be in the same situation. He wasn’t targeted because he was a vet, the decisions made have not been based on the fact he was a vet - all this stems from the disrepair he let him home slip into. Where and why did the real problem get lost here? This vet thing has nothing to do with it except to add some drama. If he was the past president of the PTO, he would still have to be held accountable for the condition of his home!! “
Bonne Foi wrote on Jul 24, 2007 12:48 PM:
” The situation in Mandan, whatever your opinions on it are, brought bigger issues to light. No matter how much you may disagree with what is going on or what is written about it, it is connected to the issues that our vets face and it is bringing awareness to bigger pictures. You may not think it’s all connected but it is, and you all can nay-say all you want but thank God for those who are willing to step up to the plate and help regardless of all the poor treatment they are getting on our own hometown newspaper’s comment section. It takes BIG people to go against the grain and do what they believe is right. It’s pretty easy to sit back and throw stones at them and no matter how you want to “justify” it that is exactly what all of you nit-pickers are doing. I am sickened at all the grief I see on these comment sections and completely disgusted at how small some people act. I know 3 year olds who have more respect and manners for others. “
Mandan wrote on Jul 24, 2007 1:35 AM:
” to Iraqi Veteran because again someone just had to add that paragragh to the editorial which was not needed. also to PGR SC RC I will help who I want to and you do the same, I have met Bob before this all came out and I would rather help someone willing to make an attempt to help themselves before waiting until the last minute which I have been busy with in the last couple of weeks. It was an opinion you need not get so defensive about it. “
1Y wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:10 PM:
” I am not a veteran. I have never served in the armed forces of this country. That is just the way it happened with me. Yet, I realized Bob needed a helping hand and I could empathize with him. I am unable to help with the remodeling of his home thus I did the only thing I could. I made a donation of money. I say this because not all of the people involved in the project are veterans, but we are Americans. “
Iraqi Veteran wrote on Jul 23, 2007 7:33 PM:
” How did this story about Iraq Veterans and Veterans in general end up becoming: Mandan man gets reprieve on house! You already have a story to write your approval or disgruntlement on. Leave this story for those who need to express themselves concerning how the V.A. is ripping off the returning and existing Veterans who are looking for help from the V.A. Thank you. “
PGR SC RC wrote on Jul 23, 2007 5:31 PM:
” To Help the guy, the veteran issue is no different than the accident reports that say “no alcohol involved”. It is a fact in the stoy and makes for a more interesting story. If your mom were about to be tossed out of her home and have it demolished and the Tribune came to report, you would have no problem with the “poor little old lady” angle on the story. You probably would bring that up every time and highlight it in your mom’s story. The veteral angle was what got the PGR involved. The PGR is a ‘respect for the military’ organization. To Mandan, Bob was over his head trying to overcome his disabilities that took his livelyhood away and the dilapidated state of his property resulting from that. Compound that with back taxes and other debt with hardly nothing for a military pension and he became desperate. The PGR took the lead because Bob is a veteran. You need to accept these facts not stop ruminating over how you feel the scenario should have played out. If you desire some control in this, come on over and help us fix it up. You’d be surprised how good it makes you feel. (now I suppose we’ll get slammed because helping someone makes us feel good?!) “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 23, 2007 4:41 PM:
” Thank you ! for a great editorial. I think we all have agreed that Bob needs help, now people are arguing whether he deserves, and what kind of help. Imagine a drowning person, having these people argue over what kind of help should be given. As the person frails about, gasping, swallowing water two residents stand arguing, I agree he is drowning I just don’t think he just have a lifesaver thrown to him, he should have helped himself by taking swimming lessons, the other person pipes up, Yea, he should have never gotten into the water. Meantime a third person jumps in and pulls the drowning victim to safety. Which one do you want to be? “
Help the guy: wrote on Jul 23, 2007 4:21 PM:
” To Duh: Sure, it’s appropriate because it was vets that came forward, but the vet issue was used long before that. Let people know he’s a vet, and let people know vets are helping, that’s great. A large group of farmers help when another farmer can’t get his crops up, and that is appropriate, as well. But leave it at that. The fact that he is a vet was used from day one, the very first article that was printed, and every one after that, trying to shame the city because they had to make a difficult decision, NOT based on the fact he was vet, but based on the condition of his home. Like I said, the vet thing in the beginning was all drama. “
Mandan wrote on Jul 23, 2007 3:32 PM:
” to duh help the guy is right in his post. Yes the PGR helps Vets but that is not what or who that got the whole situation blown out of proportion. The vet issue was being used as a poor me type propaganda to get more people up in arms against the city. I do not believe that this would have gotten so out of hand if he had not been a vet. We all deserve the same treatment no matter who we are. The type of help he recieved seemed to be the overall dispute not that he needed help. in your words, DUH! “
Duh wrote on Jul 23, 2007 1:45 PM:
” It is “appropriate” when the group helping him is helping BECAUSE they are a group that helps vets. “
LDL wrote on Jul 23, 2007 12:49 PM:
” This is a very well written and thoughtful letter to the editor. It puts everything in its proper perspective. A big thank you to who ever wrote it. “
Help the guy: wrote on Jul 23, 2007 12:40 PM:
” No one was disputing that the guy needed help. it was just that people weren’t in full agreement as to what kind of help would be better for him. No one is disputing that he needs help, be a veteran or not. It’s just seemed to me that the veteran bit was the basis for a lot of it, and that if that would have been a retired teacher or construction worker, it wouldn’t have been as important of an issue. The bottom line is the guy needs some type of help, regardless of his past. Yes, I respect veterans a lot, and am appreciative for their efforts to keep our country what it is, but I don’t think that should have been an issue here at all. He should get the same help anyone else would get, or….anyone else should expect to get the same help he is getting, this is about a house in disrepair, not a payback for contributions made. The fact that he is a veteran is being used for drama, and I don’t think that is necessary. We do need to remember what our vets did for us, and appreciate that every day, but I didn’t think using that throughout the whole issue was appropriate. Sorry. “
Boots wrote on Jul 23, 2007 12:03 PM:
” For all of you that have not steped up to help this man all I can say is shame on you. Give alittle of your time or your money, as far as that goes even your support would help. Stop by and lend a hand, you’ll feel better if you do! I know I have and feel Mandan is a better place for it. Boots “
NoDak John wrote on Jul 23, 2007 10:57 AM:
” Those who joined the service were promised that if they were injured while in the service those injuries would be taken care of. I see so much bureaucratic nonsense that I could cheerfully puke (on them). From what I have seen in the actions of FAR too many of them is that they are career feather merchants and their only desire is to do as little as possible and make sure that THEY get a nice fat retirement. Fortunately there are some really great and caring people in the system, but their numbers are too few to create a problem for the career blood suckers. To the blood suckers, all I have to say is “Quit balancing the budget on the backs of the vets”. We are paying you to do your job and to spend OUR money in a responsible manner. If that is too much to ask, then take a walk to some third world Hell hole where your attitude is the norm. “
Disabled Vietnam Veteran wrote on Jul 23, 2007 10:45 AM:
” I don’t understand why a disabled Veteran living in New Mexico is worth more on his disability rating than a Veteran living in North Dakota or anywhere else. I always thought all Veterans were treated equally, but when I when I found out there was a major discrepancy in the disability payment, I now know differently. I agree that the V.A need a total revamping. It is getting more dysfunctional and unaccountable every year. I had to fight the V.A. for seven years after I was medically discharged as a Navy Corpsman for any disability benefits that I received. I wouldn’t want to be an American soldier returning from Iraq and try to get the V.A. to comply with the services that were promised when those solders enlisted. They are in for exasperation and frustration with the V.A. “
Patriot wrote on Jul 23, 2007 10:05 AM:
” Great letter! I think these Veterans ought to get the same benefits as our legislators. “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:23 AM:
” BRAVO!!!! Very nice editorial. Thank you!! “
jon wrote on Jul 23, 2007 8:50 AM:
” As a Vietnam era vet I found dealing with the VA such a pain in the arse I gave up YEARS ago. I am fortunate enough to have adequate medical insurance with my employer that allows this. This attitude is the same with the VA redtape trying for a mortgage. I gave up on that YEARS ago as well. So I have a bad taste for anything government related / involved. I did my lifes’ prime time for Uncle Sam so this allows me to tell him to kiss my arse. ”
Fixing up Bob’s house
By CRYSTALR. REID
Bismarck Tribune
By mid-Saturday morning, it was already 75 degrees, with the sun relentlessly poised high above Bob Thorberg’s dilapidated house.But workers still gathered, from 2-year-old helpers to retired veterans, to start the project of fixing Bob’s house.
An old, unstable fence was pulled and pushed apart. A dog run around the side of the house was cleaned through by noon, even as the heat and light breeze wafted a subtle stench of dog mess through the yard. A tree with low-hanging limbs was trimmed as Thorberg stood back and took in the newer landscape to his backyard.
At least a dozen volunteers descended on Thorberg’s house Saturday, in phase one of what could be a 500-man-hour remodel project.
Thorberg’s house, at 405 Sixth St. N.W., had fallen into such disrepair that the city commission, after fielding several complaints from neighbors, took action and awarded a contract for the demolition of the house.
After that, however, community members, veterans, neighbors and the Patriot Guard expressed concern for his future and made strides on Saturday to begin the cleanup and renovation process.
Rick Colling with the Patriot Guard is the “project lead”on the house, and is in the process of securing permits to make necessary structural adjustments. As of Friday afternoon, the Mandan city assessor’s department said no permits had been issued.
On Saturday, the Patriot Guard, neighbors and other volunteers began the project by smoothing out the landscaping and doing cursory work on the outside of the house. They had filled a large construction dumpster full to the brim.
“There’s no way possible we could fix it all today,” Colling said. But they’re ready to commit as much as necessary to get all of the projects completed eventually, with no doubt that it can be done.
“People flip houses like this all the time,” Colling said.
Colling told the story of Thorberg as a man in need and why the Patriot Guard decided to step in and help.
Thorberg is a veteran, and is pretty handy, his neighbors said, but lacks the physical capacity to do some of the necessary projects. The front porch, a series of retaining walls and brickwork Thorberg did himself, is in major disrepair. Although the roof of the house is new, what looks like a decade’s worth of old shingles hang rotting over the front porch.
A rusted-through gutter and downspout dangle precariously off one side of the porch, while weeds and old chicken wire seem to be holding up the overhang of the other side of the porch.
Thorberg grew up in this house, which was originally purchased by his parents. He spent 12 years in the military, retiring in 1974. With the exception of a period from 1967 to 1974, the house has been Thorberg’s residence.
His dogs, two large Rottweilers and a mixed-breed pup, took shelter on the south side of the house, but Colling said they plan to build a kennel area in the far back southeast corner of the lot.
Colling said the Patriot Guard toured Thorberg’s house last week, wanting to hear the man’s story and making sure his home wasn’t in its current condition through laziness and bad decisions. After speaking with Thorberg, they determined that he was truly in need of help. They contacted the National Patriot Guard, which agreed to give an undisclosed amount of money to the project.
“When we’re done, we’ll be doing a flag raising,”Colling said, squinting his eyes against the sun and scanning their handiwork.
In the front of the house, Lisa Sanchez knelt on the walkway and started scrubbing, her two children close behind her and raring to help.
Sanchez is a vet, too. She was in the 82nd Airborne, which returned from Iraq in October 2003.
“Ibelieve we should be taking care of our veterans,”Sanchez said. “Our veterans take care of us.”
Thorberg said he wasn’t surprised by the amount of support he’s receiving, but he’s glad for it. Without the Patriot Guard, he said, he would have had a problem securing permits.
Go to www.dakotavideo.net to see video of work on Bob Thorberg’s house.
(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@;bismarcktribune.com.)
Left Coastie wrote on Oct 4, 2007 5:27 PM:
” To all the critics… Love it or leave it…alone! You aren’t the ones working on this Veteran’s home. You aren’t putting any money into it. All you are doing is continuing the abuse that must have met you somewhere in your lives. Get over it. Become human again. Fix your attitudes, and help “thy” neighbor. Or aren’t there any Christians in ND? The only thing that comes from all of this, is that the property value of the immediate area will improve. This all being done by someone else’s dollar. Congradulations!! You will sell your home faster thanks to PGR & Bob. Have fun on your relocation to Cuba, cause that is the same attitude you will find down there. Take people’s homes. Take their lives out from under them. Leave them with what? Please, I challenge ANY of these negetive critics to give some productive critisism. Some direction. What would you do your medical restrictions kept you from taking care of yourself and your home. It happens everyday all over the country, and unless you have a nest egg put away, or are willing to let the state have your home. You would end up in some sanitarium some where, and not have a quality of living suitable for any human being. Secondly, I am still soo confused. By what directive other than SOME city council, would give this county the right to jsutify any actions in the communitty. Let me say this. Federal is over State…. You people are neither. Get your facts strait! If youwant this man’s property, then you must either find him incompetant to handle himself medically and then they will lock him up some where never to be seen again (oh, you people are sick!). Or, the STATE can offer him fair and CURRENT fair market value for his home under Eminant Domain policy. In that case the State would have to justify the action. Even with that, it will be overturned in Federal court due to the heavy annexation going on already in your area. “
PGR SC RC wrote on Aug 2, 2007 1:11 PM:
” As of Aug 1, we have the interior down to studs, expanding them to 6″ and windows have been installed. The old slate siding has been removed and entries have been shingled. The front overhang has been jacked up to level, redecked and shingled. The old kitchen has been gutted and ready to be the new bathroom. The dining area will be the new kitchen. A handycap access entry will be put on the south side. The carpets are all gone and after we get the walls wired, insulated and sheetrocked a laminate floor will be laid in the front bedroom, living room and kitchen. The basement stairs have been cleared of clutter and unneeded insulation. A siding crew will put up the donated siding when windows and doors are all installed. Thanks to Tara at the HOTH, Susan Beehler, Rick Colling, all the PGR and civilian volunteers for all their hard work. I can’t wait until it’s done and the pride of the community. Then all the nay-sayers can see the folly of their doubts. “
left wondering wrote on Jul 4, 2007 3:01 PM:
” Once again, is this a knee-jerk reaction? Does this particular veteran show the lack of care by the United States in caring for an unfortunate veteran? or does this show that persons are wanting to jump into something that has other motives? I have yet to see ANY honest, unbiased information from BOTH sides divulged. Everything has been full of emotion and rhetoric on BOTH sides. Has no one researched anything through “before taking sides”, to fully educate themselves? “
?? wrote on Jul 3, 2007 7:56 AM:
” there were many more comments. Where did they go? “
jwjc wrote on Jul 2, 2007 2:36 PM:
” Thank you Patriot Guards and all the volunteers that are doing a great service. I think what you are doing is a wonderful act of generousity and compassion. There are too many people that have to find a hidden agenda and create a negative attitude about something as wonderful as helping a neighbor and fellow man. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and God Bless. “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:35 PM:
” Ken, I respect your opinion. I also respectfully disagree with you. And I can also tell you that if you ever needed help and the PGR in your area knew about it they would be there for you. If you are, indeed, a Vietnam Vet then you probably know and understand all too well how a vet can get lost and forgotten. It is not a cake-walk as many seem to believe. Not only can they be forgotten, but they also can have issues with trusting others to help them. We are reaching out to this vet and we feel it is our honor to do so. We absolutely mean NO disrespect to any vet, and in fact, if you know anything about our organization, you would know that we stand for HONOR and RESPECT for our military, veterans, and their families. “
taz94 wrote on Jul 1, 2007 9:53 PM:
” To Native son, you have to write it like this tarra@ndpatriotguard.org… and Tarra will get back to you ok “
What we can do when we work together… wrote on Jul 1, 2007 7:24 PM:
” This is a great example of how communities used to be. I grew up in a small town where we reached out and helped others in need. Most people in Bismarck-Mandan just love to sit around on their duffs and run other people down. Imagine how beautiful Bismarck Mandan could be if we all worked together to make our communities better every day rather than just on “special occassions” such as relay for life and other designated days for helping others. “
Tony R wrote on Jul 1, 2007 6:53 PM:
” People in out country are sympatic for people in need.. I don’t think his being a vet would have made any difference, His situation was ampliefied because it was reported in the paper. Our country is very generous and it’s people are always willing to help those in need. I didn’t see where this man was begging for all the help he is getting, it is being done by people who want to. I understand the help being offered is from non vets as well. “
To Ken wrote on Jul 1, 2007 12:06 PM:
” I stated in a post a couple of weeks ago , “if Bob was a retired dishwasher would everyone be on the same bandwagon to help him?” That being said, who cares? Bob did not go to the media begging for help or handouts, he was thrust into the local spotlight because of his situation and the actions of the Mandan City Commission. I am still not sure, after all I have read, if he will be able to maintain all that is being done after after everyone goes home. Will his taxes be paid, dog crap picked up etc…As a single mom, I also am portrayed as helpless, poor, entitled, and “wanting” free handouts, or to be taken care of. My children are suppose to be undisciplined, uneducated, and “out of control”. We are none of the above. But, with the media and society protraying all unmarried mom’s as such, it helps those in need, with programs and services they need in able to improve their lives. Sometimes all it takes is encouragement, other times, like in Bob’s situation, it takes a village (and some cash). Thank God for the village. “
Ken wrote on Jul 1, 2007 11:03 AM:
” As a Viet Nam veteran, I object to the characterization that because this guy is a veteran he is entitled to some special treatment, as protrayed by the Tribune and other media. This is an insult to all veterans who pay their bills, keep their homes repaired and contribute to society. So, as a veteran, if I let my home fall into disrepair, fail to make my payments, and find a bleeding heart media type, will the bleeding hearts repair my home and make my payments? If “Bob” indeed has a service related problem the Veterans Administration has a multitude of programs and, contrary to the latest media frenzy, does a very good job of assisting veterans. The media have transformed veterans from the “baby killers” of Viet Nam to pitiful, helpless individuals who cannot manage their own affairs and are “entiltled” to be taken care fo by society. “
Native son wrote on Jul 1, 2007 7:10 AM:
” To Tara: I emailed you using the address you have given: tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org It does not work, something about a dot and domain name. Can you check to see if it is correct? Last evening you mentioned that the North Dakota Patriot Guard was taking donations and to contact you at the above email address and further information would be provided. Again that email address seems to have a flaw within it. Can you help me? Thank you for all that you have done. “Tarra wrote on Jul 2, 2007 1:05 PM:
” ment. We have even received financial support from the national organization beIt’s not said & done. We are working with the city. We are following their instructions. We are not about to put in our money and sweat only to have the home torn down. If you really think we didn’t do anymore research and investigation then that then, well, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Why weren’t we at the city meeting? Because at that time we knew nothing about this. And for those who feel that this is not what the Patriot Guard is about — read the PGR’s HELP ON THE HOMEFRONT mission state because this situation met all the criteria. You all are comfortable sitting at home and cutting on those of us who wish to help and that’s fine, but those of us who are working and helping feel very good about what we are doing. So thanks for all your warnings and thanks for cutting us down and saying that what we are doing is for nothing. But, then again, no thanks. “
jw wrote on Jul 2, 2007 11:44 AM:
” Thank you to the Patriot Guard and all the volunteers for their compassion and understanding toward this gentleman and to all the naysayers. Stuff it. “
To National Exposure : wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:47 AM:
” Getting put on national news for pouring money into apersons house?….lets see, what does he do other than let his pets have run of him and his house? ‘People” don’t get recognized for helping out people who choose to live in trashy means. They put people in the news who are helping people that are at least TRYING!….And now, our Patriot Guard, whom I love, is wasting their money and time on this. I am appalled that they fed into this man’s sob story…….. “
Being torn wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:44 AM:
” Tarra, you are asking for money to go to a house set to be demolished. You are doing a good deed, but I think you need to reevaluate your position on this. I didn’t see any of your members at the City meeting. There were things said that you should have heard yourself, before deciding to put money into this reckless man’s home. “
Pay attention wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:42 AM:
” Does the Patriot Guard realise that all the money they are putting forth, not to forget their time and sweat, is all going to waste? At the City Meeting, they said nothing could be done and demolition is going forward. This is a said and done matter. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jul 1, 2007 3:20 PM:
” It was great to see the work started yesterday. Though I could not stay due to work obligations I will be there to work hard. It’s exciting to see Bob getting the help he needs thanks to the Patriot Guard. It’s a honor to be a part of it and what is going on. Peace, Joey “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 1, 2007 12:07 PM:
” As a fellow biker I doubt that Jay Leno would find anything funny about the Patriot Guard reaching out to help a veteran. He might send us a donation though so hey when you send the articles be sure to include my email address — tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org THANKS!!!! “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 1, 2007 12:03 PM:
” If you would like to HELP, email me and I will put you on the email list to be kept informed of what is going on, when to help and what is needed. Email me at tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org (take out the spaces and don’t forget my name has TWO r’s in it). Same email address accepts PAYPAL donations for this Help On The Homefront project. Checks made paypable to NORTH DAKOTA PATRIOT GUARD can be mailed to me and I will email you my mailing address if you drop me a note. Thank you all! “
Santas Helper wrote on Jul 1, 2007 11:50 AM:
” Hi, what is the schedule for working on Bob’s house? “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:10 AM:
” You have to remove the spaces after tarra, after @, and put it all together. I put spaces in there so that bots can just hunt down email addresses. So put it altogether with no spaces and you will reach me. THANK YOU!!!! “
Jayce wrote on Jul 1, 2007 9:51 AM:
” To GL…Jay Leno is about jokes. There is nothing funny about the situation that has taken place for this family in Mandan. I doubt very much your intention to cause further negative infliction on the Thorbergs is going to work. If anything, Jay Leno will read or hear about how many wonderful generous people came together to help these people out in their time of need. Rather than wasting your time trying to bring attention to yourself, why don’t you go over to Mandan and and check out what positive things people can accomplish when they work together. You might have issues in your life someday where you might need the help of others. This might be a good chance for you to help someone else out. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 1, 2007 9:33 AM:
” Thank you! Thank you! to all the volunteers who helped yesterday. This is what Mandan’s quality of life is about; neighbors helping. I have arrived back from a Preservation Leadership Training where 19 states were represented. I told them of the fate of Bob’s home. Total strangers, from California, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado, and Minnesota donated $200 dollars to help Bob. It is the coming together to help that makes me so proud to be an American. As we celebrate the 4th of July remember the “Bob” in your community give a hand up, not a slap down. “
To GL wrote on Jul 1, 2007 8:13 AM:
” You are from Bismarck, right? You need to just back off and leave Mandan alone. You were the one on a different blog that said you wished the bridges, other than the interstate, could be blown up. You need to sit down and think about all the things you are saying and doing. Not only are you making Mandan look bad (which is your intention, I am sure), but also the whole state of North Dakota and yourself. I do not know what your major malfunction is, but, like I said, please sit down and think about your actions and words and who you are hurting. People are trying to help this man now and let them do what they need to do. Get rid of all of your negativity and all of the hatred for Mandan. Thank you. “
thank you wrote on Jul 1, 2007 1:22 AM:
” Our compliments to these good people who are making a better world. There is so much negative news that it is refreshing and encouraging to hear good, heartwarming stories. We are commissioned to take care of each other. How wonderful that there are people willing and able to make a difference in someones life. God Bless You all. “
National Exposure! wrote on Jul 1, 2007 1:20 AM:
” Has anyone contacted a National News outlet like, M.S.N.B.C., C.B.S., N.B.C., Fox News, OR A.B.C.? This would be a great positive story for the national news for a change. “
Native son wrote on Jun 30, 2007 11:06 PM:
” To Tara: I emailed you using the address you have given: tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org It does not work, something about a dot missing. Can you check to see if it is correct? Thank you for all you have done. “
Native Son wrote on Jun 30, 2007 10:22 PM:
” To GL: We had better be careful (Jay Leno thing). I realize it is easy to become angry and negative. Lets all try to keep a positive attitude about what is being done and what we as citizens can do in the future. Mandan belongs to the people who live there and only they hold the future of their community in the palms of their hands. Tarra Hartl you are so right, what a fantastic lesson you and your husband are teaching your children. “
Tarra Hartl, North Dakota Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 30, 2007 8:05 PM:
” We will need to demonstrate that we have the funds to do this work in order to finish the process of getting the building permit. We will be showing what we have to the city and getting the building permit this week. Thanks so all who have donated. The national PGR donated about half and has challenged us to raise the other half, and we’re doing really well. It is sad to see how many people DO NOT care and prefer to just complain and do nothing, but it is also really heartwarming to see how many people really do care and not only put their hard work and donate to this project. Thank you all. We are tired and sunburned this evening, but we feel good. It was a good day. “
Tarra Hartl, North Dakota Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 30, 2007 8:01 PM:
” My husband had to work late this morning so we didn’t get there until 1 pm but they worked hard until about 5 pm. Our six kids were with us, serving lemonade, water, and soda. The youngest is 1 so technically the youngest “helper” was itty bitty. We are very proud to be teaching our children to help others, especially a vet in need as we approach Independence Day. God bless you all who helped, brought food, supplies, and worked so hard today. I guess we “materialized” huh? “
Tarra Hartl, North Dakota Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 30, 2007 7:58 PM:
” You can donate to the North Dakota Patriot Guard if you wish. We are raising money for this project and so far have a great start. People who wish to donate can make checks payable to North Dakota Patriot Guard and email me at tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org to find out where to mail it. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK & SUPPORT!!!!! “
Native son wrote on Jun 30, 2007 6:28 PM:
” A story like this one makes me proud to live in the Bismarck/Mandan area. Has a building fund been set up yet, at a local financial institution, for Mr. Thorberg’s home? I want to contribute. What a great project to be starting at this time of year when we celebrate Independence Day. The caring citizens of our area make me proud. “
GL wrote on Jun 30, 2007 5:22 PM:
” They better be careful.. The city made it sound like it didnt really matter if he fixed it up or not.. they were going to tear it down no matter what. I have sent these articles to the Jay Leno show just to show what kind of backwards hillbillies live in Mandan. ”
Homeowner uncertain of next step
By GORDON WEIXEL
Bismarck Tribune Facing eviction and demolition of the home he’s lived in nearly all his life, Bob Thorberg isn’t sure what will happen next, but there has been an outpouring of concern from the community.The city of Mandan has awarded a demolition contract for Thorberg’s home at 405 Sixth Ave. N.W., but the district court will still have to serve eviction orders.
Meanwhile, Thorberg wonders if he should go ahead and make the improvements to the exterior as requested by city assessor Richard Barta a year ago. There also are concerns about the sanitary conditions of the interior, which the city wants to see addressed.
Commissioners are worried about the well-being of Thorberg and his next-door neighbors, some of whom have been complaining about the conditions.
“I’ve got the money for the windows, gutters and siding, and I’ve got friends who will help me put them on. But I don’t know if that will do any good,” Thorberg said.
Thorberg let Tribune reporters tour the outside of the house, but wasn’t going to let them inside. He said he was going to meet with people this afternoon and let them look at the interior and what needed to be done.
Mayor Ken LaMont said at the commission meeting this week that despite the loss of the home, the 67-year-old retired veteran would not go homeless, that there are agencies and programs that will make sure Thorberg’s taken care of.
Thorberg also isn’t worried about his well-being or that of his three dogs, but not because of agencies and programs referred to by the mayor.
“I’ve got friends Ican stay with and others that are willing to take care of my dogs,” Thorberg said. “But I’ve been out looking for housing. I visited the Morton County housing authority and they told me they had a long waiting list.”
The house was originally purchased by Thorberg’s parents, and he grew up there. He spent 12 years in the military, retiring in 1974. With the exception of a period from 1967 to 1974, the house has been Thorberg’s residence.
James Skoog, who lives next to Thorberg, has mixed feelings about the the issue. Skoog calls Thorberg “a good guy,” but he’s not excited about the shape of Thorberg’s house or yard.
Thorberg is a handy kind of guy, according to Skoog, but has a tendency not to finish his projects, such as the fence that isn’t quite complete around the yard and the stone work for the front porch.
The front sidewalk is testimony to Thorberg’s skills with laying brick, work he did professionally for a number of years. But it also was that work that ruined his knees and made it difficult for him to get around.
The property is an oversized lot; in fact, at 75 feet wide, it’s a lot and a half. In back of the house, Thorberg has removed all of the grass and plants, leaving only dirt. The south side of the house is where Thorberg keeps his dogs, two large Rottweillers and a mixed-breed pup. The front yard has grass, which Skoog and his wife have been mowing.
The front porch is in bad shape, overgrown with vines and weeds. Thorberg said he plans to take it down. The house has been shingled in the past year and most of the exterior is covered by green masonite siding, but there are some areas where the siding has come off to reveal wood siding underneath.
“I’ll never understand why Mom wanted to cover up that wood siding with what’s on there now,” Thorberg said. “We’ve got the skills (to fix up the house); we just need the city commission to back off.”
Interest in the story has been high, and Thorberg is keeping track of the comments being made at the Tribune Web site. He said the majority have been supportive of his effort. Another indication has been the increased traffic, with vehicles slowing to look at the house, then circling through the alley.
“It’s been like Grand Central Station,” Skoog said.
Thorberg is getting help from attorney Ben Pulkrabek and his friend Ron Neibauer.
“I’ve worked with Ben before and I’ll pay him something as I can,”Thorberg said.
The North Dakota Patriot Guard Riders are also showing interest in helping.
“The North Dakota Patriot Guard Riders are willing to help this man out in any way we can,” said Tarra Hartl, N.D. Services Captain.
Others have come to Thorberg to offer help in fixing the place up. He’s willing to take them up on the offers if it will help him save the house.
(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@;bismarcktribune.com.)
sad wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:38 AM:
” People post comments & then they are attacked for it & when they get upset about it (understandably so) even more people come out and attack them. This is a wonderful environment! Wow. “
ne4oq wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:37 AM:
” Laura - the fact that you would stop supporting an entire organization based on that says a lot more about YOU than anyone here. Things have gotten heated and people have been upset. I don’t know what you do to reach out and help others but considering your lack of compassion for posters I doubt it’s much. You should read today’s editorial. It’s a good one. “
Laura B. wrote on Jul 12, 2007 12:16 PM:
” WAAHHH!!!! He’s being mean to me!! Stop it or I’ll tell my mommy… Jeez, for someone brave enough to use their full name, and basically speak for the entire PG, you sure have shot a big old hole in your foot (and co-PGs as well) I used to respect your unit & what you stood for….now? Nope. Go away. And take your ball with you…stomp your feet too while you’re at it. “
Jody wrote on Jul 9, 2007 10:06 AM:
” to taxes for nothing they tax on an average of what it should appraise for. They do not go out and appraise every home obviously. His home is not worth 34,000 at all. I get taxed as much as my neighbor but their home is worth almost nothing because they do not keep it up. Just because it shows he is taxed that it does in no way show that it is worth that. I have seen the house and it is not even close. besides taxes in mandan are high no matter what in mandan that i wish they would do an individual appraisal on each then maybe some friends of mine wouldn’t have to pay so much. “
Taxes on Nothing? wrote on Jul 9, 2007 7:30 AM:
” To Jody, the tax bill shows the house having greater value than the land. The house is valued at 34,000 the lot 12,100 and his taxes were $2500 in 2003 and $1675 in 2006. Specials being half of his tax bills. So if they are tearing down the house why is he being taxed on a 34,000 home. Does it make sense to value something at 5 times what they will pay to tear it down? In 2003 his taxes were higher than my house valued at 90,000. Something wrong with the tax picture there? I believe Commissioner Tibke and Barta work together to set tax values throughout Mandan. not sure “
Jody wrote on Jul 8, 2007 9:56 PM:
” to taxes on nothing? you are taxed on your property value. his lot is larger than average and is worth about 32-34,000 which means his house is not worth pretty much anything if he is taxed on 34,000 a year. “
To online editor wrote on Jul 8, 2007 7:16 PM:
” Good reply to Tarra - if she didn’t want to have things said to her when people’s opinion was different from hers, she shouldn’t have starting writing in in the first place. She tried to make everyone think that she was the only “good doer” out there and everyone else wasn’t worth anything. The majority of the people wonder if this is such a good idea to put all this time, effort and money into a project that will be right back where it started within a year. If he is unable to clean up dog poop now, who says that he will do it in the future - someone is going to get real tired of going over there daily to clean up dog poop. “
Taxes on Nothing? wrote on Jul 8, 2007 4:16 PM:
” To Jody why is his house taxed if it is not worth money. “Jody wrote on Jul 8, 2007 9:20 AM:
” to to tarra you are right about her attitude. I do think it is kinda funny that one of her posts said ” Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain.. and most fools do. ” since so far in comments she has called people obnoxious, and unintelligent, because we do not agree with her opinion. I believe that makes her as much of a fool as she thinks others are. Most people believe that Bob needs help but the kind of help is being disputed. He obviously has problems keeping up his property because this did not happen overnight. The lot is worth money but not the home and they want to fix up the home but is that what is REALLY what is best for him. Not so sure about that. He will not be homeless by his own admission and he did check into housing so he does not have a problem moving so the real issue here is whether it really is a good idea to keep him in his home to spite the city. Although so far there has not been any permits issued that I am aware of so all there talk may be a wash anyway. Everyone needs help at some point in their lives but the whole picture should be looked at before jumping in and possibly causing more problems down the road. “
To Tarra wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:39 PM:
” You really have a problem with Bob’s neighbor and his flag. You ask people to lay off Bob and then you start digging at other people in Mandan. I know some of the others in the Patroit Guard and they sure don’t have the attitude you have for people that don’t agree 100 % with you. Glad they all aren’t like you. “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:01 AM:
” Have you put a light on your flag or started taking it down at night yet? I haven’t been over there at night for a couple weeks. “The flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.” “The flag should be lighted at all times, either by sunlight or by an appropriate light source. The flag should be flown in fair weather, unless the flag is designed for inclement weather use. ” “If displayed at night, the flag must be properly illuminated. Proper illumination means that the stars and stripes can be seen readily from a reasonable distance. Flags on poles generally require a dedicated light.” As an active member of the community it is important to show respect for the flag. Your house is pretty but lack of flag etiquette can really overshadow that. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:12 PM:
” To What and to the Captain, Deuteronomy Chapter 15 is about forgiveness of debt and the treatment of the poor, I have been told the bankruptcy laws were based on the principal set forth in this chapter. I brought it up because I know “the Captain” is truly a man capable of much giving, but I think his own situation has blinded the compassion within his heart towards this situation. Would can hurt giving this situation a little more time? “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:36 PM:
” Criticism is futile because it puts a person on the defensive and usually makes him strive to justify himself. Criticism is dangerous because it wounds a person’s precious pride, hurts his sense of importance and arouses resentment. … Instead of condemning people let’s try to figure out why they do what they do. That’s a lot more profitable and intruiging than criticism; and it breeds sympathy, tolerance and kindness. To know all is to forgive all.” - Dale Carnegie, auteur van How to Win Friends and Influence People “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:30 PM:
” Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain.. and most fools do. “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:16 PM:
” To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. “
To Truth is: wrote on Jul 6, 2007 1:36 PM:
” I agree. Read the editorial in today’s Mandan News written by Susan Beehler, and it so verifies and documents her underlying reasons for all this “help thy neighbor”, which is, of course, trying to discredit and destroy our city government. Bottom line. She just doesn’t quit. I, for one, am getting so tired of it. “
The Captain wrote on Jul 6, 2007 1:35 PM:
” I’m perfectly able to care for myself thank you. I agree that we should help our neighbors when possible and not whine and cause a fuss over their oversights. That is not the case here. You of all people, who wants to make as much turmoil as possible, would like to have to live in a situation were you can’t have your windows and blinds open for years? So the neighbors and creditors have no rights and have to put up with this crap (literally and figuretively) forever? As far as due process, good luck. Hope you get an extremely liberal judge on that one. There was notice and more than ample opportunity to be heard, and in fact was heard at one of the commission meetings with an attorney. A due process violation would be showing up with the bulldozer without notice. In your analogy, who took Bob’s oars? I believe in takng responsibility for your actions. Have you no compassion for the neighbors that can’t enjoy or sell their property because of Bob? Have you no compassion for the wronged creditors? For right or wrong we all have or likely will go through difficult stretches. Doing a patch job on this house will do nothing to fix the problem. You seem way more concerned with this house and this alleged misconduct by the commission than actually helping Bob. “
Truth is…… wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:55 AM:
” Susan’s response to the Captain is a bunch of babble, “If I would have a neighbor who’s yard I do not like I would close my blinds or going over and lend a hand. If I did not like the smell I would keep my windows shut or go over and pick up the poop, take away the trash. I would not run to the city for every little beef I had with my neighbor. It appears you seem to have intolerance for the “Bob’s” in this world.” Give me break, this issue for you is not about the “Bob’s” of the world, it is about your irrational and frequent attacks on the Mandan City Commission. One person’s rights end when they interfere with another’s’ right to enjoy their properties. This story has more worts than you would lead us to believe. Get off your soap box, take off your blinders and realize that you are as we see you and this is simply another windmill for you to tilt with……. “
To Cindi: wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:25 AM:
” I think it would be difficult for local charities to use their entire budget to help 1 person rather than 10 people. And, their is still the issue of back taxes, judgements, is the home insurable, and can he afford to keep the home after the fact. “
what? wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:10 AM:
” Susan, are you seriously quoting the bible concerning bankruptcy? How about “Thou shall not steal?” Are you going to quote that? Enlighten all of us sinners as to why filing bankruptcy is ok because it is in the bible. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:50 AM:
” To the Captain, Bankruptcy is perfectly legal and it also has its orgin in the Bible. I do not hate the commission. My motivation is because of compassion for a fellow human being. If I would have a neighbor who’s yard I do not like I would close my blinds or going over and lend a hand. If I did not like the smell I would keep my windows shut or go over and pick up the poop, take away the trash. I would not run to the city for every little beef I had with my neighbor. It appears you seem to have intolerance for the “Bob’s” in this world. Due process does not have to be left to any lawyer, it is every American’s constitutional right. I like the bill of rights and our constitution and I treasure those who have given their time, limbs and life to protect it. As captain of an old boat I pray noone would take your oars and leave you to drown or leave you lay when your knees quit working. Look at your heart and your motivation. Is your motivation the price tag and the money you will receive from the sale of your home? Hate does not motivate me: concern, love, compassion and people wanting to trample the down trodden motivate me to speak up and do what I can. Maybe “Bob’s” reality hits a little too close to your home, your comfort zone and fear of being unable to care for yourself. “
The Captain wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:13 PM:
” Liens survive bankruptcy. Are you encouraging Bob to attempt to screw over valid judgment creditors for 30k+ plus lord knows how many other non judgment creditors. You endorse attempting to file bankruptcy on debts owed to local businesses, that has to be great for the business’s in the community. I know I like to sell things and not get paid for them. Robbing Peter to pay Paul I guess. Take a step back, suppress your hatred for the commission, and look at the total picture. Save the “due process” argument for Bob’s attorney who actually will know what it is, you have no clue. “
My opinion wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:43 PM:
” One year is a long time to find a place to live. I understand this is basically the only place he has known to live, but there comes a time sometimes that you have to realize you cannot take care of your home and need to move on. It is a sad, but sometimes true part of growing older. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:05 PM:
” To Captain, he could always file bankruptcy than any money from a sale would be his. If a judgement is so many years old it would need to be refiled, seems to me alot of those judgements were over 10 years old. A vacant lot to you may have more value, but it is still not a place to live. He needs to live somewhere and the city did not follow the due process otherwise he would have more time to find a place to live. “
cindi wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:58 AM:
” Theres all these agencies like the christmas in April programs ect… Why cant some these help this poor man out instead putting him on the street to live.Have you looked around to see what the cost is too rent a placeI am sure this house is all payed for .Why cant the comunitie help out this poor man. “
The Captain wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:34 AM:
” Susan, any judgment creates a lien on real property. If the property were sold for 40K Bob would receive nothing. The homestead exemption is 80K, but that is only for the equity. The mortgage is likely secure and the others are likely unsecured. All of them could foreclosure but the unsecured would get nothing because any equity would be exempted. And yes it looks like he has been over assessed. I doubt you could give that property away in it’s present condition. To bring it to a saleable level would take far more investment then one could ever hope to recoup. A vacant lot has more value. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 4, 2007 8:25 PM:
” To a man, Good point. In order to bring up any issue at a commission meeting it needs to be on the agenda,during the week of June 22, I asked the city administrator in person if it could be on the agenda as a way to continue discussion and resolution, to date I haven’t gotten a response. The city administrator has said if we show the bank statement of money to be used for his house a building permit could be issued. They also want to know how many volunteer hours so they could adjust the price for the permit, after the restoration is done. Hmm, I never have heard of having to show your money when getting a building permit, must be a new ordinance or maybe it is just special laws for special cases. Even though the city gave notice to Bob he still had to request to be on the agenda in order to appear, weird how that works, tell to come but make him ask to be able to speak. Strange process. Just because you want dialogue doesn’t mean you will get it, you have to go through the city administrator. “
Hilarious wrote on Jul 4, 2007 6:52 PM:
” Nice point GL. There are many trailers in worse conditions. In fact there are whole trailer parks that are eye sores with sub standard conditions that need to be addressed. I think there is a slight bit of power tripping going on in mandan. If the problem is an eye sore of a house the obvious solution is to demolish it….wait I mean fix it up…..but wait that takes effort….hmmm. How about we take a big giant eraser and rub out Mandan so we can start from scratch?? “
A man wrote on Jul 4, 2007 6:47 PM:
” I have followed this story casually since it arised and I feel what is being debated here and on the other “blog” is what should be debated at a commission meeting. Thorsburg didn’t show up twice……But now the commission has his and the city’s attention. Why not now debate the viability of demolishing this home as opposed to fixing it up. The out pour of community help is there to make the house less of an eye sore so let’s get all the facts to together in an official process to determine if this is the correct action. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 4, 2007 10:29 AM:
” To Captain I did go to the site you referenced, the foreclosure was dismissed a year ago, it does not say why, to assume it is because it has no value is a leap. The land has value according to the city it is worth about the same amount of his mortgage note. The home has value because it is his place to live. It is a very small mortgage when compared to most homes. The home according to the city is valued at $34,000. Why do they have a value on it if it is nothing? Why do they charge taxes on a home that has no value if you say it has no value? Maybe he is being over assessed. As far as the other judgements unless Bob signed something giving a lien on his home, they can not bring any action against his home, homesteads are protected from creditors, the only entities who could execute a lien would be a creditor he used the home’s equity for or for taxes. If in-kind contributions are made to Bob this will leave his income available to pay his mortgage or other debts. Giving oof your time is not looked as money when it comes to reportable income to Social Security. Why is this a concern for you as to whether or not we help him? “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:56 AM:
” Make him clean up the health risks and if he wants to live without sheetrock so be it. clean up the dog poop and everything there wont be anything different with his house than half the trailers in Mandan.. Or is your city commish going to demolish all of them as well. “
The Captain wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:23 AM:
” To take something from someone that person first has to own it. I believe that the foreclose was stopped because there was nothing for the lender to take. If you rebuild him a house there will be. http://www.ndcourts.gov/publicsearch/ DEFENDANT THORBERG ROBERT V DEFENDANT MANDAN TRANSFER & STORAGE DEFENDANT KOVASH KEN DEFENDANT B&D SUPPLY INC DEFENDANT ZT ENTERPRISES,INC DEFENDANT STATE OF ND STATE TAX COMMISSIONER DEFENDANT ND WORKERS COMPENSATION BUREAU DEFENDANT SPEEDY’S TIRE SERVICE DEFENDANT BIG VALLEY GRAVEL CO DEFENDANT CREDIT BUREAU OF BISMARCK DEFENDANT MARSHALL LUMBER CO “
The Captain wrote on Jul 3, 2007 8:56 AM:
” Susan, could you address what will happen with all these judgments and the ramifications of basiclly rebuilding an entire house (in-kind income) for Mr. Thorberg as far as his qualification for various benefits that may be available? I believe there are numerous people who could foreclose on the property and Mr. Thorberg would walk away with absolutely nothing. Thanks for your response. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 3, 2007 7:11 AM:
” To To Captain and the Captain, I would like what is best for everyone in the world. What is best for Bob is up to Bob, not me or you. Our country protects the fundmental right of everyone’s property, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Taking someone’s home is a very very big decision. A home is an economic tool, in the sense many use the equity to provide for themselves as they grow older. If Bob’s plight is due to economics and the only thing he owns of economic value is this house and land, taken it away will not enhance his economic plight. If other creditors are listed as leinholders of the property, I am not aware of them. The only one listed in Morton County is the one holding a 13,000 note on the home. You stated they were listed on a foreclosure. Have forclosure proceedings moved forward and what date did it start? My understanding is Bob has the opportunity to pay $300 a month to prevent foreclosure. I am not deciding what is best for Bob, but I would like to help him have a roof over his head and where he is at, is his place and his roof today. Talking about Bob as to be deciding what is best for him for me is not ours to decide, he has not been ruled incapable of making decisions, he is a human being and has the right to decide what is best for himself. I surely would not want government or my neighbors to decide what is best for me and to especially decide where I should live, for me that is liking tell the neighbors next door to Bob, maybe the best thing for them is to move, I do not think “deciding what is best” is anyone’s right except Bob’s. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 3, 2007 6:46 AM:
” To To Susan, How is stating my opinion making the city look bad, they made a decission and I disagree with how the process was handled. If the city’s decision stands as it is and his home is demolished, the mortgage holder may become the owner or you the taxpayer could have to pay the demolition costs of about $8000 and the back taxes. The total cost to the taxpayer could amount to $20,000. $20,000 seems a little high to clean up dog poop. I believe if the house can be salvage and maybe sold, we would have more winners. The taxpayers would not be paying the cost of demolition, the mortgager would get his money, Bob would have the equity or money to move, or continue to live out his days and the neighbors would not have a vacant lot next to their home. I don’t real estate but I would think a barren lot would not necessarily help your property values. I have a different perspective than the city, it does not mean the city is “bad”. I don’t agree with how this has been handled. It is my opinion. “
To Susan wrote on Jul 2, 2007 11:02 PM:
” What does he have to live in if the Bank would take his home away? or the County for back taxes? Would you even care or try to help this man if you could not do it to make the City look bad? I think the majority of these posts think that what the City has done may be the best thing for everyone in the long run. I walked by his home on Sunday and I tell you what… the smell from dog poop about knocked me over, Please stop trying to make the City look bad because it is getting old fast, do good things just for the sake of doing them not to case harm to someone or to get media attention. God Bless! “
Thanks Captain wrote on Jul 2, 2007 1:11 PM:
” Thanks Captain. That was exactly my point when I mentioned thinking about what is BEST for Mr. Thorberg. It’s not that we shouldn’t help him (a whole other issue if people want to keep debating it) but it’s about the kind of help we give him. We can do a “quick fix” - like fixing his home and yard, which may or may not last very long if he is in such bad shape physically and financially, or we can look long term for the kind of help we offer. Securing other housing for him - yes a condo or apartment or other assisted living quarters - and the means to help him settle. Susan you talk about helping him keep his “only home he’s known” and talk of investing in the property and creating a fund for this venture, but couldn’t/wouldn’t that fund be more helpful/beneficial to give him a long term solution to his problems. Like it was said - the amount of money and time invested in the house could set him up in an apartment for quite some time and help him get back on his feet. I don’t know if this is the right course, but I do think that it merits investigation. Again, just some food for thought. “
The Captain wrote on Jul 2, 2007 9:42 AM:
” I just ran a court records check on the Supreme Court Public Search Website, and it shows numerous judgments against Robert Thorberg of Mandan, civil and criminal (bad checks). The collection judgments against Mr. Thorsberg appear to be around $30,000. If someone could varify this that would be great, there could be another individual with the same name. Being that all the creditors are listed on the Foreclosure I believe they are likely accurate. Susan, just wondering what you see happening with these, the mortgage, and the taxes. You are surely aware that all these judgments have a lien on the property and these local creditors apparently did not receive payment for the services rendered to Mr. Thorberg. Again, who is the victim here and what would be best for Mr. Thorberg? “
The Captain wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:17 AM:
” Susan, apparently you are the one who always knows what is best for everyone. The effort and money necessary to repair that house would take care of a reasonable apartment for years. And please stop talking about “his home.” I believe the bank is the titled owner and could rightfully take it at any time, and that is on top of the taxes owed. You talk about China…, for him to stay in that house you would have to completely take away his independence. Someone would have to maintain the house for him, care for him and the dogs, pay the necessary bills… “
Jody wrote on Jul 1, 2007 9:40 AM:
” Some of you are thinking you are better than everyone else but you are not listening to the reasons that everyone does not agree with you. I have the utmost respect for vets since most of my friends and several family members are vets and that I have worked with vets for several years. The whole thing here is that will he be able to keep up this place and pay the back taxes, which are considerable for someone on a fixed income. He himself says he has lived there all his life and this problem did not occur overnight. He had plenty of time to do something even if it is just clean up the yard, which does not cost anything. Yes he is a vet and fought for our freedom, but doesn’t that include the freedom to live without the eyesore and smell from his home? I believe he needs help but he should have done more with letting the city know who he had contacted and what their reply was and they would more than likely have given him a little more time had he cleaned the yard. Every agency you call is willing to give you other places to call if they cannot help also the housing agency here has a long waiting list but they also have an emergeny housing list depending on circumstances. He himself said he contacted them which means he was looking to possibly move. The bank and the city still have the right to repossess his home for financial reasons. I have no problem helping someone in need but they also need to help themselves first and show that they can which by the looks of his place he has not done in years. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:43 PM:
” To To Susan and agree; Who is supposed to decide what is best for you? The government, your neighbors, ME, sounds pretty silly when it is said in this way. Isn’t this what you are saying, YOU know what is best? If his home is taken away what does he have to live in, NOTHING. If his home is taken away, What does he have of value that he could sell to get into another apartment? I surely would not want you to decide what is best for me or any of my family members. You act as if he is not a person. Every person in our country has been promised liberty, liberty is the right to decide what is best for themselves, that is as American as you can get. I am sure China, Russia and the other socialist countries would be happy to decide what is best for him or you or me, but we live in the USA. Currently his choices are not about living in a “condo”, you got to have money or something of value to sell to get into a condo, you need money to get an apartment, deposit and rent, and to move. We help him and he will have choices, as it stands now, he can “fight” to stay in his childhood home or be homeless. We choose to help him. “
Namnurselinda wrote on Jun 29, 2007 9:29 PM:
” Everyone should calm down. Reread what Beanie and Susan wrote and just be kind in general. I am also a 100% disabled veteran of Vietnam. I know what the soldiers went through while in Vietnam. But it was hard to accept what was said to and done to us when we arrived back home. And this does have something to do with the fact that he is a veteran…That war and the one we are in now are not only killing and maiming our young me and women, but they are also destroying these young soldiers as well as the senior citizen minds. Instead of complaining, why not try to do something constructive. If you have never walked in our shoes, then don’t tell me that you know all the story, because you don’t. “
Bismarcker wrote on Jun 29, 2007 1:28 PM:
” I can’t wait for the next headline. “Thorberg Let’s 2nd Chance Go To Crap.” It’s one thing to be on a fixed income and not able to update your home the way it should be. It’s another altogether to just live like a slob and expect everyone else to come to your aid. How does he feed and provide medical care for those dogs of his? Where does that money from? I think he’s just a lazy you-know-what who is trying to garner some sympathy now that the city authorities have finally decided to do something about it. Just because he’s a war vet doesn’t mean he should be allowed to live in filth and expose all his neighbors to it. You go ahead and fix his place up. I guarantee that a year later it will be a filthy shambles again. Naive people. “
The Captain wrote on Jun 29, 2007 1:16 PM:
” If Mr. Thorberg were a younger man who was just going through a tough stretch, but had the capability and desire to turn it around, this would make alot of sense and could genuinely help him. That is not the case here. What do you see happening over the next 10 years? “
The Captain wrote on Jun 29, 2007 1:12 PM:
” To Tarra - I am well aware of the facts here. Also, my father and grandfather are vets. I don’t see what being a vet has to be with not responding to numerous notices… I have no problem with the benefits received for being a vet, I believe they are well deserved. I believe people shold be given the benefit of the doubt and we should help of neighbors, vets or not. From what has gone on here for the past several years, not just the last week, it is clear that this individual is not able to handle the care/finances of a home. I appreciate your effects, but I feel they are misplaced. Unless someone is going to pay the mortgage, back taxes, and assume full control of the maintenance of the home and completely control his life this is going to end bad. Again, you are treating the symptom, not the disease. Get this gentleman in a situation he can handle, not one that he has shown over the past decade he cannot. “
Burning Boat wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:11 AM:
” To all the folks that think the”best” for THORberg is to farm him out to assisted living and such, Instead why don’t you suggest we put him on a flaming Viking Ship on the big lake up north. I see Dr. Kevorkian is now out of prison, maybe the good doctor could help you all out solve this “Thorberg Problem” once and for all. Do you folks long for the good old days of the Eugenics movement? Boy, those must have been great times for you folks! Mandan Über Alles! “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:11 AM:
” Those who wish to read more about Bob & what we’re doing, I have posted a story about him in my blog: http://bismarcktribune.com/blog/?w=tch&e_id=2475/ “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:09 AM:
” Captain: Again. you don’t seem to know all the facts when you post. There is a lot more to the story, but, I am tired of arguing with people. It’s a waste of my time and energy. While you all were sitting around here complaining about US helping someone *I* raised almost $4000 to help this man. My time was much better spent I must say! As far as “This issue should have nothing to do with being a vet. I love my country and appreciate those folks that serve it. I also appreciate teachers, doctors, police officers… ” You have every right to feel the way you do, but I do not share in your feelings. Being a veteran, or a soldier, is not like any of those jobs. The soldier fought for the rest of them to be able to have their jobs and live in peace. There are organizations that have a special interest in helping all kinds - including teachers and peace officers. And there is an organization that has a special interest in helping Vets. That’s us, HELP ON THE HOMEFONT. And to us it matters that he is a vet 100%. I am the daughter of a Korean war veteran, now laid to rest in the Veterans’ cemetary sough of Mandan. My heart is in my work. I think it’s time those of you not interested in helping took a hike and leave those of us who are being productive ALONE. “
Tarra Hartl - ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:01 AM:
” The Help On The Homefront program is really coming through and our plans are going well. If you wish to help in anyway please contact me at tarra @ ndpatriotguard.org (without the spaces). Crews start tomorrow. Drinks and lunch will be served. There are so many replies on here that simply do not justify a response. Folks don’t know what is going on. They have assumptions and judgments but they don’t know the FACTS. We know the facts. We had to find all the facts out before we could approach the NATIONAL PGR HOTH organization to assist us. Everything you all THINK you know is pretty much not the case, but it seems like so many would rather get on this site and complain and do nothing to help. Complain away! Have fun. I will be HELPING along with many others who truly care. Just remember folks. You cast judgment on others and turn your back on a neighbor but you forget that you have a gigantic LOG in your own eye. “
I agree with “to Susan” wrote on Jun 29, 2007 9:06 AM:
” That is a very good point. Is anyone thinking about what is BEST for Mr. Thorberg at this point. I’m not saying that I know, but maybe some things should be considered before investing so much time and money in the property. Maybe that time and money would be better invested in Mr. Thorberg. Maybe a condo would be a better alternative? Maybe he would benefit from assisted living arrangements? Maybe an apartment would be a better fit? If he is disabled and having a hard time keeping up, should we be pressuring him to take on more than he should by having him maintain a house and yard? Just some food for thought. “
To Susan: wrote on Jun 29, 2007 3:11 AM:
” Obviously this guy needs help, but if he is so vulnerable and disabled, maybe the best help would be to find him an adequate place to live where he is not burdened with home upkeep and repairs. Why are so many so determined to keep him in the same situation, which he cannot handle? Do him a favor and help him find housing that he is not responsible for. He may think he wants to stay in that house, maybe because he can’t see any other options. Quit worrying about due process and who did what and who is wrong and all that, and really think about this guy, then, and what his needs really are. “
Former mandanite wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:55 PM:
” Susan if the city did not follow their own ordinance can the the commissions ruling be fought in court? The eviction notice does have to come from a judge right? And maybe while the ruling is being fought you can try to get the court to force the city to provide and updated ordinance book. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:15 PM:
” The Captain. I respect the same people you mentioned. Many out there need help. Unless you have met Mr Thorberg and know the whole story you may want to think about what you are saying. Sure many Vets were drafted and some enlisted like my father. Those men paid the ultimate price for a freedom many take for granted. One thing that I can guarantee is when a vet is in trouble we take care of our own. Those programs out there to help vets are there, but is it enough? How do you repay someone that has paid the ultimate price for our freedom? In my case I jump in and help. Thanks to our vets we have freedom. Something many on this blog take for granted. Possibly they would like to volunteer to go over to Iraq and see what it is really like. If I was not disabled I would be there in a second. To do what my father and many did before him. Peace,Joey “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:01 PM:
” What about due process? It is protected in our constitution. I said it in my letter to the editor; I am very disturbed by how this “process” was handled. Selectively enforcing laws and not following the law is constitutionally wrong. Bob is not just a veteran, he is also disabled and a senior citizen, it does not give him any additional rights to not keep up his home, but he is vulernable and needs help. It seems some posts want to punish him by tearing down his house, instead of helping someone in need. The good samaritan story everyone should read, who are you on the highway of life? “
The Captain wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:00 PM:
” I’m sick of this vet talk. This issue should have nothing to do with being a vet. I love my country and appreciate those folks that serve it. I also appreciate teachers, doctors, police officers… Those folks that were drafted I feel for as they didn’t have a choice. Those that voluntarily enlist, what do you expect? The country should live up to it’s bargain as far a medical care, pension… for vets, that’s part of the reason people sign up, but where is any authority which allows vets to not take care of their property. I see no correlation between the two. I’m sure I’ll get ripped for not being patriotic or supporting vets, and that’s just not true. I just don’t see what letting a house get severely run down and not responding to the issue for a year, and being a vet have to do with each other. “
Just tell me: wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:32 PM:
” I have the upmost respect for all veterans, as well as for a lot of other leaders and movers and shakers. However, where is it written that vets are exempt from the laws of the land? The very freedom they fought for, for government and their rights to make laws as seen fit, and now people think they should be excused from those laws and governing agencies. If this guy was living in conditions unsafe for him, and disruptive or uncomfortable for the neighbors or at the expense of the value of surrounding property, is that right? That’s not what our vets fought for. They fought for the rights of our governments to make laws, and then to enforce them. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 28, 2007 11:00 AM:
” Mamamia, not sure what your intentions on that post was. I am jetting out the door, but wanted to let you know that comment was uncalled for. Do not joke about a Vietnam Vet being on drugs. That is not cool. Possibly you were one of the spitters when they returned? You want to debate Nam and the vets bring it on. Peace, Joey “
MamaMia wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:39 AM:
” Wow, “VietVet” you need to put the crack pipe down. “
VietVet wrote on Jun 27, 2007 11:57 PM:
” Well, good thing election time is coming around. Perhaps someone will come up with a bill that will allow ANYONE and NOT ONLY disabled veterans, to benefit from. Veterans that have it made with ALL the programs and agencies that help them with their wounds, military associated illnesses or other disabilities shouldn’t be the ONLY ones to benefit. I say that ANYONE, despite their status, that can’t keep up their house and lawn have their home condemned and demolished and then go to the Major of your city and he’ll point you in the right direction for help. Why should we have disabled people taking advantage of others? Stop the war in Iraq, and we’ll have no more veterans since they are croaking like drowning flies anyway. Even though they will clog up our cemeteries you can just sit back and enjoy your beautiful kept houses and lawns. But be careful when walking on that lawn or driving down the street. IED’s, IPG’s and all those other nice initials aren’t very nice to have around but what owners and homes that might survive and remain will certainly look great, especially with those funny people with towels on their heads that just moved in with them. You think maybe a couple of terrorist might actually have Internet service where all this is posted? What a bunch of propaganda sprewing Americans that have done nothing to support our country other than yapping their jaws AND will still gladly celebrate the up-coming Fourth of July that came about with the blood shed of veterans. . . .BUT, of course, with their nice clean homes and lawns. . . DISGUSTING! “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:13 PM:
” I just moved here a year ago. If the neighbors were so worried then why did they not try to help the guy out? Kinda funny how a lynch mob shows up now instead of 10 years ago as they claim. Like quoted on this blog before let us help our own. When one vet is in trouble watch about 50 come running. If you are not going to help stand back as we do take care of our own. Peace Joey “
To Warchild161: wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:07 PM:
” Where were you and everyone else for the past several years when this house and yard was sliding into such disrepair? Be hero’s now, but it took the commission’s actions to bring everyone forward? Seems that everyone was content to let him live like that, and to let the neighbors live like that, for many years now, until there was a chance to turn it into a controversy. I think the neighbors were extremely kind and patient to live like this all these years, and when enough is enough, action needed to be taken. Those neighbors value their property, too! I am sure you will be able to drive around town with your hammer and nails and maybe just start fixing before any other properties are complained about, why wait until it becomes a city issue? “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:37 PM:
” Like I mentioned I visited with Mr. Thorberg personally today and once this mess is over and the house is fixed he is going to be more than okay. It seems the biggest problem with his neighbors is their dislike for his well cared for dogs. I saw the dogs 1st hand and they are happy, healthy, and cared for. His only limitation that I saw is walking them could behard. He has a dog run, but still I volunteered to walk his dogs. I will also help with anything he needs in caring for them. I also saw the house and was in it. It is fixable. If the problem was so bad why did his neighbors wait this long to make this kind of fuss. Since I am one of his neighbors living a black away I see a lynch mob that needs to back off and let those of us that want to help him give him a hand up. I talked to one of his neighbors also. The guy was nice to me and neutral. “
Former Mandanite wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:44 PM:
” To Money. Why does it alway have to come down the the almighty property value? And what makes you think an empty lot next door is going to make property values any higher? I am sure that the lot will sit empty for the years it take for the city or the bank to repo it. A better idea would be to fix up the house then try to convince the owner to find a low income apartment and sell the house to someone that can take care of it. “
Money wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:22 PM:
” To mom of 2 - you have some very good points. If this man doesn’t have the ability physically & financially then how he going to care for this home over the next few months and years? What is this house going to look like next year and the year after. If he has proven that keeping a house is beyond his abilities. Also either he doesn’t know how to care for a house or just doesn’t care. Owning a house is work and also costly. The neighbors should be proud for stepping up and saying something about this house and the lack of care it has received over the years. This type of behavior in a neighborhood can bring down property values. “
To Mom of 2: wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:19 PM:
” I have been watching this and what I conclude is that there are some who want to help just to show up the commission, and not necessarily do what may be right for the guy in the long run. I think this was jumped into awfully fast, and so many ordinances quoted that just don’t always fit all grey areas of some issues. They may fix up this place and he may just continue on the same as he has, which apparently has not been good, for himself or those who live near him. That’s what I am afraid of, and hope he does not become a tool to bash the commission. The commission has been dealing with this for a year or so, and all of a sudden, in three days, everyone else has the answer. I don’t know about that. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:50 PM:
” I just had a nice visit with Mr. Thorberg. I met his dogs and saw both the inside and outside of his place. Sure it needs work, but it is repairable. to be honest I have seen alot worse and cannot believe that this matter has gone as far as it has. Somebody should have stepped in years ago to help that nice man. After meeting him and seeing his place 1st hand I have come to the conclusion that he deserves a hand up. After that it is his responsibility to keep the house up. I am confident that he will in meeting him. I also offered to help with his dogs. Walking them ect. I feel much better about being so vocal after meeting him. I had the chance to visit with a neighbor. Sure the guy wanted the place fixed up. He seemed neuteral and liked Mr Thorberg. We did not see eye to eye on a couple of issues and agreed to disagree on them. “
Mom of 2 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:14 AM:
” I have read most of the comments and do understand the disputes on both sides. I am very happy to see others helping people in our community. It seems like there is less and less of that going on these days. I am curious if he is not able to maintain the upkeep on the house and it slowly deteriorates again then what?? I am also a home owner and understand the concept of the upkeep on a home, it’s alot of work, time and money. If a person due to lack of money, disabilities, etc is unable to keep up with their home they should move somewhere with less maintenance or cheaper cost of living. I applaud everyone who is helping Mr Thorberg out but do believe that if he is unable to keep it up he should move into a condo where there isn’t yard maintenance, etc. Just my thoughts. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:02 AM:
” Susan, Please contact me also if you are interested. I really want to help and have raised alot of money for charity in the past. Thanks, Joey “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:01 AM:
” Cdog. I too care very much about helping Mr. Thorberg and would love to meet him. I live a block away and have seen his house. I used to do fund raising and have a great idea to raise money for him. I am very serious and would love to have some help. If you wish please email me at war_child01@hotmail.com. I do not dare post my number on a blog. Thanks, Joey “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:27 AM:
” Faith is taking the step when you can’t see the staircase in front of you. For all those who ask will he be able to take care of his place in the future? No one knows the future. I have faith we can help him now, giving is not about a return on your investment of time. If it makes you feel better to ask the question about the future, you can but no one can answer the question, it is not humanly possible. I believe helping Bob will make a difference, it will make things better for him and the neighbors. Will it change his life? Who knows? Asking questions out of control are simply asking for a promise, just like those that would say promise you will never do it again, Would promising make a real change? Again who knows. Life and living is not a sure and exact science, why treat as such? “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:39 AM:
” Jodi, I have read you words. I just think they are so one sided. I too am a neighbor to Mr. Thorberg. I have been up to his yard and think you and many are over reacting and need to get a life. If you knew as much as you claim about the vets than you would know the unwritten code of Brotherhood. If that man can not care for his place I am confident that myself and many others would be more than happy to help him. If he cannot care for himself and needs help you better believe I will be there in a second. Jodi, google search the Gathering Of Eagles and read what went on at the wall on March 17th this year. When one Brother is in need there is many that will come running. Quoting the words of Mr. Camunes on this blog. Step up and take credit that you have slowed the percentages of everyday deaths from those of veterans to those that merely enjoy and take advantage of the very freedoms they now enjoy or just step back and let us take care of our own! ” Jodi, get a hobby, get a and leave that poor man to helped by his own. If you knew anything about the code of Brotherhood you would be there helping him alongside of him. Peace, Joey “
cdog wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:25 AM:
” Yup I showed up.There was not a very big turnout while was there (little more than a hour). From the exterior, this whole thing could be done in a weekend. I don’t know about the interior I wasn’t in there. I did visit with Bob a little bit (being a fellow soldier). You know I don’t care about the politics of this whole thing. I just want to help out a buddy. If it turns out that the city tears it down afterall, so be it. If it turns out that Bob can handle the upkeep of his place , great. I am going to try because it is the right thing to do. It is so sad to me that people have gotten a negative, defeatist attitude about things. From the blogs, it appears to me that our Social Services folks (including Vets service office) may need to rethink a bit about getting their message out a tad better. “
Jody wrote on Jun 26, 2007 7:48 AM:
” to warchil161 obviously you are not reading the whole comment I never made this about me I was explaining that if I was able to get some help for accessability then I know Mr. Thorberg had the same chance and more because some of the places that I spoke with would help vets before others. With family and friends that are vets including my husband I do understand what alot of them go through and no unless you walk in their shoes you will never know for sure. The point I was making is WILL HE BE ABLE TO KEEP UP THE PROPERTY AFTER THIS FIX??? These problems that need fixing did not happen overnight and since he did not do anything until the last minute shows that he is lax on keeping on top of things. I have never said his was the only home that has definite problems either. I also said IF HE HAS SOME TYPE OF DISABILITY should he even live alone? If this had been anyone other than a vet I am sure there would not be the outpouring of help that there is for Mr. Thorberg. I have always commended people helping others but sometimes you have to say they should have done some things themselves before they got to where they are. It is not hard to keep a dog kennel clean so it does not offend your neighbors so that is one thing he could have done to keep the neighbors from complaining of the smell. He could have cleaned up his yard. He and he alone put himself in this position. Everyone jumping to help when they have no idea whether it will do him any good. The city can take the house at anytime for the backtaxes and the bank could also so do all the work but he may still be in the same position he is now. I do not have blinders on but am pointing out some things that seem not to have been thought of. “
Resident wrote on Jun 26, 2007 6:38 AM:
” I don’t think anyone on here is disputing the fact that this gentleman is a veteran and fought for our country. However, the simple fact here is people are asking if this is going to actually help him in the long run and if people do help him, is he going to be able to keep up the property, or will it get run down again? I don’t think most people would mind helping, but do not want to see their hard work going down the tubes. Will this house be in the same despair in 2 years? If so, maybe the city is doing this gentleman a favor (he himself even says he will not be homeless). Also, if this resident is helped, how many more veterans are going to stand up and say “I need help. Please come help me” and then they are left standing because these same people that are helping this gentleman can’t see fit to help every veteran in town. I have the greatest respect for all of our veterans. However, I am wondering if this man were not a veteran, would people be so willing to help him? Maybe, maybe not. They may just say “demolish the house” and not blink an eye. “
Beanie wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:12 AM:
” To “We all need HELP” . . . You say, “some of us even have good jobs and could afford to pay off a contract for deed.” Do you have any idea what someone in the service makes and why even after retiring, they still need to work? There are those that risk their lives and limbs daily and still qualify for food stamps! A shame to our warriors and families that give their all for our continuing freedom. I’d suggest that you go to the nearest veteran organization and they will GIVE you American flags to put on the graves of those that have given their all for our/your freedom! . . . Have you ever seen your fellow single parents lying in their own blood crying because they felt they failed you in a mission? Have you ever picked up your single parents to put on a litter and go back to pick up his arm or leg? Have you ever thought of the sacrifices of those that are keeping you safe and able to be sitting and writing without the fear of a terrorist coming into your home? . . . WAKE UP! . . . I sit with a total of almost 200% disabilities, get a good comp and slowing dying from wounds and the exposure to dioxins. I don’t regret it and you know what? . . . I did it for our country to include YOU and I’d do it all over again if necessary! . . . All I ask is someone to remember the sacrifices veterans have made to this country and support those, as Mr. Thorberg that were willing to give their all. God bless us all. “
Patrick Camunes wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:33 AM:
” Somehow, I got cut short. Straight out, unwed mothers, drug addicts and alcoholics are first in line for freebie benefits and I speak out as a 100% disabled Vietnam veteran. If I had the choice to earn my benefits in blood, fear of loss of life or sit and benefit from those that chose to do so. . . I’d still proudly stick to the former! This simple problem of Mr. Thorberg’s home expresses the horribly embarrassing lack that some people have for those that are responsible for the very freedom to speak out openly to condemn him. I would venture as far to say that perhaps the many Veterans of this great country that sacrificed so much have contemplated about awarding a “demolition” contract for the supposed leaders of Mandan. I’d challenge the major, Ken LaMont, to come out openly and name the agencies and programs that will take care of Mr. Thorberg. If he can, he’d be the hero to ALL veterans that have waited years upon years for help such as Mr. Thorberg seeks! PLEASE tell us where it is, Mr. LaMont so that you may take pride is helping slow down the rate of those that pass on everyday to the maladies of wounds, herbicides and so many other problems that your so-called agencies and programs can so easily take care of. . . Step up and take credit that you have slowed the percentages of everyday deaths from those of veterans to those that merely enjoy and take advantage of the very freedoms they now enjoy or just step back and let us take care of our own! “
Patrick Camunes wrote on Jun 25, 2007 8:59 PM:
” To many, the Fourth of July means just another day off work, as on Memorial Day, Veterans Day and so many other holidays. But to many others, what the Fourth of July really means, is the involvement in the creation of this freedom for our country. It means not only the history of that date in 1776, but the events that followed and the blood shed to keep this freedom. As a Vietnam Veteran, I have considered the personal meaning of the 4th of July. I realize the heart of the 4th of July resides within the great documents and framework of this Republic, but the spirit of the 4th was best summarized by the Prisoner of War who scratched on a wall at the Hanoi Hilton in Vietnam: “Freedom has a taste to those who have fought and almost died for it that the protected shall never know.” That “taste”, or lesson, is the truism, also inscribed in stone, of the Korean War Monument in D.C, Freedom Is Not Free. So, on this 4th of July, I pray our protected citizens recognize that our country’s freedom was won by the blood of veterans, is retained by the blood of veterans, and shall exist so long as we, the American people, stand fast against any enemy who would challenge our right to be free, and are willing to pay the price in blood . . . Freedom is not, and never will be free. I don’t think there is any discretion as to where Mr. Thorberg sits. “
Patrick Camunes wrote on Jun 25, 2007 8:46 PM:
” upon years for help such as Mr. Thorberg seeks! PLEASE tell us where it is, Mr. LaMont so that you may take pride is helping slow down the rate of those that pass on everyday to the maladies of wounds, herbicides and so many other problems that your so-called agencies and programs can so easily take care of. . . Step up and take credit that you have slowed the percentages of everyday deaths from those of veterans to those that merely enjoy and take advantage of the very freedoms they now enjoy or just step back and let us take care of our own! “
We all need HELP………. wrote on Jun 25, 2007 8:09 PM:
” Wow, it is real nice to see how ready and willing everyone is to help out a vet, that is a very kind gesture. Does this man not receive all kinds of vet benefits already -where he should not have gotten into this situation? If people are really ready and willing to help out, there are alot of single parents out in the Bismarck-Mandan community that could really use stable supportive housing-some of us even have good jobs and could afford to pay off a contract for deed if necessary. I know I am one single mother that could really use the assistance of a generous sole to help by investing in a home that I could make an average payment on each month- no we can’t afford a $1500.00 house payment , but we do work and provide for our families and need a decent affordable investment rather than throwing away our rent money into making someone else richer. That does NOTHING to help us out in the long run. I don’t quailify for a habitat home - they say I make too much, which is barely enough for 3 people to live on?? “
ApEKA wrote on Jun 25, 2007 5:36 PM:
” A neighbor in need… It’s easy to be part of the problem, but who is willing to step up and be part of the solution? I’ve read some of your comments and while most of us are looking at solutions, I’m also reading from others that some ‘governmental’ agency should handle it. Come on now, that’s how we got into the mess we’re in, by letting ‘George’ do it…(no reference to either George I or George II on that one, please…) and handing our power and our responsibility over to an ‘agency.’ Come on, folks, But we need to look at our apathy and complacency and then roll up our sleeves and get it handled… “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 25, 2007 5:03 PM:
” oops! I went back to read the blog and Mr. Thorberg my deepest apologies. Besides being blonde been working back to back shifts and trying to keep up. Shame on me. “
? wrote on Jun 25, 2007 4:44 PM:
” Who’s Mr. Thorson? “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 25, 2007 3:29 PM:
” PS Jodi I am also disabled with chronic PTSD and refuse to make this blog into a poor me story. I am sorry you are disabled. but again this is not about you this is about Mr. Thorson. Perhaps a hobby would give you something better to do while the rest of us that want to help him out do our part. Peace Joey “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 25, 2007 3:27 PM:
” Jodi, I commend you on your good works, but the way you are going at Mr Thorson without knowing the facts about his health, time in the service ect ect makes me think you think you know what vets have gone thru. There is a differance between working with the vets and actually having one as close to you as my Father is to me suffer the way he has over the years. I am giving Mr Thorson the benefit of the doubt and am going to do everything I can to help him. I have already got the ball started and am hoping make my ideas to help him fly. It’s obvious you have nothing better to do than complain about him. I suggest you get a pair of dark sunglasses to put over the blinders you wear and just not look at his house if it bothers you. As for me I am willing to give a vet a hand up. “
A couple questions, wrote on Jun 25, 2007 1:36 PM:
” Ok….So people jump in and help this individual out in the renovation of the house and lot, what keeps this home from being taken back by the bank for its arrears or by the county for back taxes? It seems to me that this problem goes deeper than just some siding, drywall or flooring. Tear it down, special assess the expense back to the lot and then let the bank auction off a clean and buildable lot for new home construction. “
Old Ben wrote on Jun 25, 2007 10:55 AM:
” The phrase, “God helps those who help themselves,” is not at all Biblical, as some may think. The quote is attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who spite of what he thought, was not God. I learned this in way back in Sunday School. It is a great thing to say when you want to turn a “blind eye” on some else’s suffering or plight. “
Jody wrote on Jun 25, 2007 6:53 AM:
” To Susan I guess if I were told to fix problems or could end up getting evicted for not doing so I would be expected to persevere through and find the help before the eleventh hour. With all the years he has lived in that home he should have been capable of keeping up maintenance. and if not maybe he should not be living alone. The fact that he is a vet should not be an issue every homeowner has the same rules to follow when owning a home. I am sorry that he has let his home get to this point but he has had a year to complete maintenance which is plenty of time to have found help and done repairs. Most people receive notice to fix or clean up get 45-90 days he was given a year. I wish the best for Mr. Thorberg but he did bring this problem on himself. One of his neighbor stated that Thorberg was handy just never finished a project that seems to be his downfall. How also is he going to pay the backtaxes of $8200? You may be setting a precedent for other people to say “Hey I don’t have to do anything to my home when I am about to get evicted I can get all the help I need” and that would be a shame. God helps those who help themselves but here it seems you don’t need to help yourself. I wish you all well but i hope you haven’t gotten into something you were not expecting. “
Jody wrote on Jun 25, 2007 6:52 AM:
” to warchild161 I worked with vets when I lived in North Carolina for a few years and I know that alot of them go through very hard times. I was not making my post about myself just pointing out to Susan that I am now disabled and know the problems faced since she did not think I understood. Many came back with PTSD and some never get past it but there is help out there for them. Nothing was mentioned that Mr. Thorberg has PTSD but if that is true there are agencies there to help and if that were the issue maybe he should not be living alone. My husband is a Vet from the Gulf war and so are many of my friends and many will not talk about some things that happened to this day. So yes I do understand more than you seem to think I do. “
Wishing the best: wrote on Jun 25, 2007 12:35 AM:
” I wish the best to all who are so willing to help Bob fix his house, and I do hope all goes well, but sometimes we need to be careful what we wish for. Hope it turns out the way you want. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 24, 2007 11:16 PM:
” The blog limits how many words we can post at a time and want to say thanks to Susan here. Jodi I am sorry you are ina wheelchair and are having hard times also, but this is not about you, me or anybody else. This is about Mr Thorson. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 24, 2007 11:12 PM:
” Jodi it is obvious you know nothing of what a vet has gone thru and if u want to talk about that on this blog I would be more than happy to. I am the daughter of a vet that served our country. He came back to a coutry that did not give a rats hind and a wife and daughter to take care of. Along with a chronic case of PTSD. he struggled thru his constant reminder of his time on the front line in Quang Tri in the 161. Bet you have no idea where Quang Tri is or what happened there. Meanwhile he battled deamons that you or I could never manage. he held it in until his time in the jungle finally got to him. He is now 100 PTSD disabled. My father is a decorated vet with the medals to prove it including the bronze start I have not idea what happened the day he got that medal. I bet that is a vision that goes thru his mind every day as well as countless others. Jodi, before you go around saying you know what it is like to be a vet I suggest you do a google search and start reading. I also strongly recomend reading Patrick “Beanie” Camunes web sights and his experiences over there. That man, LadyDesertHawk, my Father, Mr. Thorson and many others have fought for the freedoms we take for granted. Anyone here that is sick of sitting around and not helping Mr Thorson and the Patriot Riders while listening to Jodi talk about something she knows nothing about I have a idea. Let’s help the patriot riders in their efforts to help out Mr Thorson. For anyone in the Patriot Riders and that are interested I have a idea that could raise some money to help Mr. Thorson. I can be reached at war_child01@hotmail.com Sincerly warchild161 Joey Miller “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 24, 2007 10:53 PM:
” To Jody, I am sorry to hear you are now in a wheelchair. You were fortunate to find an agency to help. I was just looking for some handicap adjustments for my home, as I also have a mobility issue. I was not able to find an agency to help. You and I are probably the type of people to seek help and not easily give up, not all people have the resilence, patience, persistence whatever it takes to find the help they need. My willingness to help does not matter what the future holds for Bob, as you know, we can only work with the 24 hours in front of us. My choices are made more based on my beliefs. A couple of Veteran groups have stepped up to help and they are giving their help because of their comrade’s need. It may be a limb, but we are willing to take the risk. “
Jody wrote on Jun 24, 2007 8:06 PM:
” to Susan Beehler One I am not young and have been through many things in my life including being without a home due to a fire in a state where I had no family. You and I met at a meeting in september the one right after labor day to be exact. I am no longer walking but in a wheelchair and even though we had no idea where to come up with funds to remodel our home for my wheelchair I also made phone calls and looked up many agencies only one was able to help us but if I was the vet instead of my husband I could have gotten grants for alot of things so there is help out there for vets no matter what Mr Thorberg says. I ended up in a wheelchair the 1st week of April and we had our grant by the first week of June and I waas able to get this done while in the hospital. So yeah I know a little more than you think I do and how to go about getting things done. I have worked in shelters and in several agencies that worked with people that needed help I am just saying you all might be going out on a limb and he will not be able to or want to keep up the place again. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 24, 2007 12:23 PM:
” reply to to Susan Beehler The city assess people for mowing the lawn, what is the difference if they assess someone for moving a dog kennel, that is my point. The assessment comes whether they think the homeowner can or cannot pay it. Would you be motivated to pay the assessment if you no longer have the property? I would think more incentive would to try and pay your taxes to keep your home after be assessed for the repair not after the city has removed your home and you no longer have any equity in the property at all. In my opinion is no different than what the city already does for weed control only this would be “structure” control. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 24, 2007 12:16 PM:
” Hi! Jody, It’s okay if you do not agree with me. We all have our own perspectives and life experiences which mold our beliefs. This guy needs help, whether it being help with clean up or another place to live. Jody you are probably young and do not have any physical limitations, so you can keep up with your home. Everyone has years to keep up their house but in your older years things can changer. The city is setting a precedent and who will be next. Mandan has all kinds of homes in disrepair and anyway you look at this it will cost the taxpayers money. I choose to help him get it cleaned up, once it is cleaned up than we can look at solutions for the maintainence. This is what “charity” is all about, it is about giving, not earning or deserving. As a community is it our place to decide who can and cannot get help or remains in their own home? I think it is pretty scary, because one day we will all be senior citizens or at any given moment lose the ability to care for our home at the standard neighbors expect and the thought of being ousted from a place you have lived all your life just because you are older or disabled to me seems cruel and morally wrong. “
Jody wrote on Jun 24, 2007 9:41 AM:
” to Susan Beehler I usually agree with you on quite a few things but this one I am not so sure. Mr Thorberg did not just have a year he had many years to keep up with the maintenance of his property. Even his one neighbor said he is handy just doesn’t finish projects. He says he has lived in this home all his life except while in the service. He for some reason did not keep up with maintenance which every homeowner must do. I have no problem with vets because I have a few in my family and even my husband is a vet but they all have enough respect for themselves and their neighbors to keep up their own property. If they are in need of help they ask for it. Mr. Thorberg did not follow through with cleaning his yard one way to do that is by cleaning the dog feces at the very least once a week out of the kennel which I am sure is alot of the smell. We have two large dogs and ours is cleaned at least twice a week. What happens when he does not keep up the place after all the work you plan to put into it? And how is he going to afford to pay the 8200 in back taxes. Sometimes it is better for people that cannot handle the responsibility of home ownership to move on to somewhere they will not have that problem. I respect the fact that he is a vet but I do not respect the fact that he could not even clean up the yard in a year after knowing he needed to and not going to a meeting to inform the city where he was at until the eleventh hour. That was his responsibility not anyone elses he knew what would happen. “
Jody wrote on Jun 24, 2007 9:30 AM:
” to Jody’s neighbor obviously you still do not get the fact that this guy has had OVER 13YEARS to complete his “home” . It is not safe and he has children living in the space. Turn that around to a couple of other actual elderly people I know that could not get out to mow their yard in time for the city and the city came in mowed their lawn and then charged them for it. The whole point is if you own a home you should be able to maintain it properly NOT PERFECTLY which I have not said in any of my posts. If you would read better then you may understand that there are times when a person shows they are incapable of actually keeping up with their home maintenance and/or additions that after years should have been done. They do nothing to him but another neighbor of mine had a car that was not broke down they just did not drive it often and within 2 weeks had a move it or it gets towed notice on it but not this guy who has many vehicles on the street all over the place and usually in the way of traffic but nothing happens to him. Everyone should have to follow the same rules not just pick and choose who gets in trouble with the city and who doesn’t. Cleaning up not perfecting because there is no such thing as perfect. Oh yeah I am not the only one complaining about these properties. “
To Ms. Beehler: wrote on Jun 24, 2007 1:34 AM:
” My question is that if the city fixed it up, and assessed his already late taxes, how will that get paid? If this ordinance says the city can do that, how will he pay his back taxes and then an increase in taxes for the repairs the city is allowed to make in the ordinance? “That ordinance says the city can repair a substandard structure and assess the cost to the taxes, it is a option they could exercise.” I don’t think the city should be fixing anything, that is a home owners responsibility and I don’t think he can afford those additional taxes, do you? “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 23, 2007 11:15 PM:
” Answer “To Susan Beehler” If we do not reach out with a helping hand to Bob, you, me and all taxpayers in Mandan will be footing the bill. Would you pay for your home to be torn down, and be homeless? This will be the taxpayers bill 7500 for the tear down, 1000 for the tipping fee at dump, $8300 in taxes due and then another 1600 for 2007 taxes. The total cost for demolition will be $18,400 to you the taxpayer unless the mortgage company for his home would pay for it. You add in the cost of assistance he would probably need to pay for a place to move into, which would be probably be something assisted with your tax dollars through some kind of housing program, which could be another $14000 per year the taxpayer will pay. If we as a community help him out we would invest our time and through donations at least part of the taxes could be paid off and Bob would have a place to live out the rest of his days or he could sell it when he can get into housing or find a place to live. The point is this is Bob’s home, he should be able to decide when he wants to move out, not the city or his neighbors. Elderly people fair better when the longer they can stay in their own home. I want to help because he needs help. “
Jody’s Neughbors (sic) wrote on Jun 23, 2007 8:35 PM:
” Thanks for defining concept of BusyBody for us. I’m sorry the world just isn’t perfect enough for you. uh-oh, got to go, Mom’s watching. Your “immature” Neughbors. “
DesertLadyHawk wrote on Jun 23, 2007 3:57 PM:
” We are pulling for ya, brother. Got alot of vets all over the country aware of your situation, and we are sending thoughts and prayers that everything comes out alright for you. I am 100% disabled vet, served 16 years in the USAF. Once we put that uniform on, become “family”, it never comes off. So from your brother and sister veterans in the great state of Nevada, we will support you in any way we can. Melanie Trinkle Disabled Veteran USAF 1978-1994 “
Jody wrote on Jun 23, 2007 1:04 PM:
” to Jody’s Neughbors obviously you do not have a clue of what a problem property is or isn’t. Older homes are not a problem if they are kept up and someone doesn’t mow their lawn in a week is not either. The house on Collins has had many complaints because it has been an eyesore for several years now and is not being completed I know there is one out by Fort Lincoln also that is a problem but the one out by me is a mobile home that you can’t even tell anymore and having a regular garage door and then a barn door that overlaps the other that look as if they were taken from a demolished property along with pieces of plywood that look as if he found them on the side of the road and tacked them on his house and the garbage vehicles he has sitting all over. This area was zoned for manufactured homes and the rest of us out here know that he no longer has a frame under this abomination. This place has looked like this for over 13 years and he has not gotten a new permit in over seven and the first one was renewed once maybe twice. When I get a permit for my garage I will have 6 months to complete it without renewal why hasn’t something been done to this hazard. Neighbors have been in there and do not let their kids in there anymore because of the illegal way he has put in his furnace and electrical nothing is to code by what they have seen and I refuse to enter the place because it does not look safe. Until you grow up and know the difference then your comments do not mean anything. “
Patrick(Beanie)Camunes wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:55 PM:
” I am a disabled Vietvet living in San Antonio, TX. Both my wife and I lost our last job of 20 years at the same time without benefits. I had just come out of the hospital having had a serious operation and with the stress of trying to start our own business my wife had a stroke. The VA repossessed our home for running behind 2 payments and basically would have left us on the street. A newspaper article about our plight brought numerous Reponses from people as far away as CA. Even though I never regained our home, I was finally awarded the 100% disability I had sought for over 30 years for my wounds and Agent Orange related problems. I am 7 years younger than Mr. Thorberg and personally know how far a �retirement� pension can take you. We are lucky in a way that I draw a disability comp as well as part of the social security we paid into the system for over 40 years. We now live in a modest home and can afford most of the repairs to fit well into our neighborhood. I applaud the ND Patriot Guard for their evolvement in the issue of a fellow veteran. As to the $8,200 owed in back taxes, I can only say there are a lot more veterans in this country that would be willing to contribute to an organized and legal fund. Having been a combat Infantry grunt myself, we had a saying, �We NEVER leave our people behind!� and it falls true to this day concerning our brother, Mr. Thorberg. Patrick G. (Beanie) Camu�es camunes@yahoo.com patrickcamunes@hotmail.com pat@war-stories.com D/4/31 196th Light Infantry Brigade (C&C 3rd Amphibious Marine Corp) Tay Ninh 12/’66 - 04/’67 Tam Ky 04/’67 - 12/’67 Author: “From The Other Side” http://www.war-stories.com/from-the-other-side-camunes-1967.htm War Stories Literary and Student Research: www.war-stories.com/ Webmaster: War Stories Bulletin Board: http://www.voy.com/283/ Member: American Legion/ VFW/ DAV/ MOPH/ CIA/ AAVV/ BOTN 230 Colton Dr. San Antonio, Tx 78209-1712 Hm: 210/ 832-9849 Cell: 210/ 846-5668 “
Jody’s neighbor’s wrote on Jun 23, 2007 10:00 AM:
” Jody, please don’t drive-by the street I live on. Some of the homes are more than a HALF of a CENTURY old. I’m sure you could find something “wrong” with EVERY house. Really. Some have cracked sidewalks. Some have settled askew on their foundations. I think one of my neighbors has not even moved their lawn this week! ACK! THE HORROR! Last time a Perfect Human walk this earth, some Romans nailed Him to a cross. We are all different. If you would like near-perfection, move to the “planned” tract homes in the suburbs of any Big City! You will be told what color beige you will need to paint your house. “
Karen wrote on Jun 23, 2007 8:55 AM:
” To Nd resident: “Prolly”…are you educated at all?? PROBABLY! “
To Ms. Beehler: wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:35 AM:
” If the city fixes up the house and assesses the cost to the taxes, do you mean the taxes for that particular property? In this case, taxes that are already behind? Or do you mean spread over the taxes of the other property owners? You complain about taxes already, and would add more for this cause? If the repairs go to the properties taxes, and the bank has to repossess, who gets stuck with those taxes? The bank? The city? How can this guy pay the city back when his taxes are already behind? Who would ultimately pay in the end? How much research did you get to do between when the story broke and your first post, which was before noon on the 20th? The commission was acting on complaints and on findings from on-site inspections, including the interior of the building, and has been dealing with the issue for quite a few months. That was obvious from the article. “
To mANDAN bOY: wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM:
” How dumb. We have designated parks for trailers, and if a neighbor complained of an awful odor or exceptionally unsightly yard, I’m sure it would be addressed, however, I don’t think a complaint from a trailer park is as likely as a complaint from a neighboring house or block such as the people on 6th Ave. The comparison just isn’t there. And, I would think that trailer parks have their own set of acceptable ordinances. The person most likely to address any trailer park issues would be the park owner or supervisor or manager. The supervisor or manager of residential homes happens to be the city. “
WarChild161 wrote on Jun 22, 2007 10:14 PM:
” As the daughter of a disabled vet I feel for the guy and am willing to help out any way I can. Unless you have walked a mile in a Vets shoes you have no idea where he has been. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:16 PM:
” HOTH is a part of the PGR. The entire organization INCLUDING HOTH have NO POLITICAL AGENDA. NONE. We are not siding up with ANY side of any politics. We are supporting a veteran. PERIOD. We are offering our volunteer support to help a vet in need. We have NOTHING to say against any action taken by the city or the city commission or anything else. The folks who we are working with who are NOT with the PGR-HOTH know and understand this, that we do NOT have a beef with the city of Mandan or anyone else. Our mission is simple. To help this vet. That’s it. Nothing more. No hidden agenda. It’s simple and there is no reason to get mixed up. Most of us don’t even live in Mandan or give a hoot about the city commission or anything else there. We are not concerned with anything but the well-being of this veteran. PERIOD. END OF STORY. There are some PGR members who are not involved in the HOTH program, which is just getting started in ND. There are some who are actually only involved with that program and are not even riders with the PGR (it’s not a motorcycle club and you don’t have to be a biker to be involved). There has been a committee established in the state of ND for close to a year now to get the PGR’s HOTH program going here in ND but we had not, up till now, had a “mission”. We now do. Again, we do not care about politics. We have no intentions of getting involved in anything other than helping this one person. We are not politically aligned with ANYONE and I have very clearly stated that in my posts. There should be NO misunderstanding here. I volunteer with the ND PGR and I coordinate the ND PGR’s HOTH program, which is a program within the PGR that has NOTHING to do with politics. “
Jody wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:33 PM:
” to Jody’s neighbor’s you don’t have a clue about the eyesore down the street from me that many people around here have complained about and he hasn’t had a current building permit for about 7 years and it has looked the same for over 13 years and nothing has been done and the other place was the house on collins which there have been multiple complaints about. The only thing is maybe Barta will do something about my neighbor down the street now that there are so many new homes built recently in the area that there will be many more complaints. With Mr. Thorberg there are a lot of comments here that make sense whether he will be able to pay the 8200 in back taxes or if he will keep up on the home maintenance once everyone has done all the work for him. It is not like this happened overnight it has taken years of no maintenance to get to the point it was a year ago and plenty of time in a year to get something accomplished but since he didn’t then the commission did what needed to be done (they don’t do that often but for once they have). “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:32 PM:
” To need the facts: I write what I know, I find what I believe to be the facts by accessing the city’s records. The ordinance I have was copied directly from the only ordinance book a citizen can access that I know of and this book is not current. That ordinance says the city can repair a substandard structure and assess the cost to the taxes, it is a option they could exercise. If you have facts we should know please do share them. I am sure the city commissioners felt they were doing what was best with what was shared with them. I am expressing my opinion based on the facts I have researched. “
mANDAN bOY wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:25 PM:
” Like eailer posts stated…when are we going to level several trailer courts in Mandan..There are many unsightly, aged trailer homes in Mandan along with this house. If your going to level this house,lets level every trailer in bad shape as well………..lets have a uniformed policy. Dog town is looking worse every year……. We need more parking lots for all the businesses that want to come to Mandan..l.o.l. I will be looking for similar properties in Mandan,and if they arent addressed, a law suit should be brought against the city of Mandan. “
mixed feelings wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:50 PM:
” I have read these articles and find that I am agreeing with some comments and not agreeing with others. For instance, I too believe that some of these conditions could have been improved on with little effort or money. Maybe if any effort had been made, just picking up garbage and dog litter etc., the city and the neighbors would try to consider other alternatives. But on the other hand, as many of you have commented, this is not the only eye sore in Mandan! I don’t know if there is any solid ordinances for this or not. But for instance, there should be an ordinance as to how long you are allowed to get a residance established and finished to some degree. Take the house that was moved onto Conlins, how mant years ago!!!! I wonder if I will ever see that house get finished!! Without proper siding etc., how long will it be before it starts deteriorating. Like I said, there are alot of ways to look at this situation. “
Need the facts: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:50 PM:
” To the member of the PGR: well written piece to establish organizational involvement and to also wish the HOTH the best in their endeavor. I did not know the difference and I think your post explained it very well. Keep up the great work you do, both organizations, and a special thanks to the PGR for all their efforts and respect toward our fallen soldiers. “
HOTH or PGR? wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:21 PM:
” As a member of the Patriot Guard Riders, I feel it is important to point out the difference between two related but different organizations. The Patriot Guard Riders is a volunteer organization whose mission is to pay respects and support families of fallen soldiers, shielding them from vile acts of certain people. Help On The Homefront is a spin-off, a charitable organization whose mission is to rally volunteers and take up donations to help out military personnel, veterans, and their families in need. I personally feel that the HOTH group should clearly distinguish themselves from the PGR. The PGR is a NON-POLITICAL entity, which does not get involved in politics. HOTH has just taken up a highly charged issue with an awful lot of politics attached to it. And siding with one of the most vocal dissenters and critics of the Mandan city government has just put this group into a political fray. As a concerned member of the PGR, I feel it is important that the good name this group has established for itself in the community should not be put at risk of being associated with what is becoming an unpopular stance with many. Kudos to Rick and the HOTH for what they are attempting to do for this man. But please know that this is HOTH action, not direct action by the PGR. “
common sense wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:04 PM:
” The overwhelming sensation on all sides that “something has to be done” clouds logical judgment. I would suggest to EVERYONE on both sides to step back, look at ALL of the facts (not faith, but FACTS) regarding this man’s situation. Is he a victim of VA neglect? Is he wanting to find a way out after being called to task? Does the city and/or community hold some culpability or is it just his? If the home is rebuilt or destroyed, will it set a precedence for other residences? What are ALL of the facts, and what is the best resolution versus a “knee jerk” reaction? Don’t forget the old axiom, you can lead a horse to water…” Who’s forcing who? “
Yomama wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:42 PM:
” Whatsoever you do to/for the least of your brother…that you do onto me… “
Just wondering wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:29 PM:
” To Susan Beehler: If you haven’t figured it out yet, I’m betting the comment from Need the facts: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:21 PM: was meant for you. Any truth to that? “
Need the facts: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:21 PM:
” If you go to the other article on this issue, and look at the post from June 21 at 6:15pm, you will see exactly what I mean. If the commission is expected to fix up this house, I have one that could use some help. Talk about opening a can of worms, but it’s good ammunition for bashing and showing total disrespect for officials. Again, I say, do this nice community deed, but for the right reasons, not for the wrong opportunities. “
Vet in need wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:20 PM:
” I’m dead serious here, I’m a vet who’s house could use some work. It’s well maintained but could use some updating in one bathroom and maybe an addition. If I let it go to crap, ignore the city and destroy my neighborhood’s property values will you fix it up for me? Thanks in advance. At least you’d be fixing it for me, not the bank. “
Need the facts: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:14 PM:
” Well, at least someone took a look at it to see if it could even be fixed. That was certainly the next step. For those who want to contribute and volunteer, at least it may be worth the time, effort and expense to bring it up to standard. Are a few of these volunteers willing to follow up every so often for the sake of all who contribute, to ensure that the repairs and the house will be kept up from that point on? And who will pay the backtaxes? Has anyone talked to the bank? It’s great if the community wants to step up to do this, but, again, I caution, don’t come down on the city for their decision as they made the decision on what the current circumstances were, and nothing had been done to that point. What needed to be done was outlined and explained to the guy, and he didn’t do it, so they acted accordingly. How could they predict the community would take on this project? Help him, great! but don’t use this to boost your political image or try to tear down the image of those who were faced with the decision when no one had come forward yet. I am seeing a little of that, and that tarnishes the attempts to help. It isn’t up to the city to renovate this house, so if the community does, good deal. But do it for the right reasons. “
CITIZEN wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:06 PM:
” Thanks for clarifying that you aren’t on the city commission. Do you think that lends credibility to your post? I don’t know why some are so unhappy with what the commission is doing and who is on the commission. They are doing the best that they can with the given circumstances. I will guarantee that if there were others on the commission the same people would be complaining that they aren’t doing a good enough job. Rebuilding is a slow process and sometimes structures have to come down, no matter how nice they are, in order to start again. If any of you want to help this guy that is fine, but don’t start complaining when his house returns to this sad state again. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:57 PM:
” Here is the update: I and Rick Colling of the PGR Help on the Home Front, just returned from the City assessor’s office and the city adminstrator’s office. We asked if we could get a building permit to do the necessary repairs, Barta is out of town till the 11th. The city administrator Jim was helpful and glad the community is willing to help Mr. Thorberg, he wil be talking with the city attorney to see if this could be put on the next city commission meeting agenda July 10 or if a building permit could be issued. In the meantime, call your commissioners and the Mayor and ask them to reconsider , allow the repairs to happen. Meet at 5:30pm at 405 6th AVE NW wear a red shirt and take a stand. We will start cleanup outside. Will you help? “
Not on the city commission wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:38 PM:
” Well, I guess this is why the recall was started. Too bad it didn’t succeed. Now the rest of the country know what Mandanites know: this commission and mayor are out of control. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:22 PM:
” At 1 PM today a representative with the North Dakota Patriot Guard’s Help On The Homefront program (Richard Colling) along with a construction contractor (Hoss Construction) and Ms. Susan Beehler (another concerned citizen heading up this project) walked through Mr. Robert Thorberg’s home. They confirmed that the home is structurally sound and is very repairable. They confirmed that the damages in need of repair are superficial and repair is 100% possible. Richard Colling also confirmed for us that Mr. Robert Thorberg is a documented DD214 Veteran of the United States Army. “
Helper wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:08 PM:
” I had a neighbor one time in the 90’s, he lived like a slob. The landlord evicted him. I was so kind and bought him different trailer in a different park, and he said, “I’ll pay every dime back to you”. Three years later, he never paid the taxes, never cleaned the house, never fixed anything. The pipes froze and all. I had to evict him. Then we opened all the windows, and all the neighbors had to smell his odor. Just about choked. Had to fix the place all up. That’s what you get sometimes when you help help and help. Once you’ve lived this way so long, it won’t change. So, Consider your ways. “
To Jody’s Neighbors wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:23 PM:
” Look out, you are next! “
Need the facts: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:21 PM:
” It is obvious that the community has noticed the need this guy has, but I don’t think the community as a whole has all the facts. The commission made a very difficult decision, but the rest of us don’t know the whole story. I am sure they didn’t take it lightly to demolish a home. What about the back taxes? Can he pay them in the future if the community takes care of that issue now? Does the community want to rally and fix this house to hand it back to the bank? We all want to be heroes, but maybe in this case it would be helping him find better living conditions rather than covering up the old living conditions. Look at all the facts and at both sides of the issue, then make your decision. Those that jumped on the city for this decision didn’t possibly have time to gather all the facts between when the story hit and the comments started. AND he wasn’t singled out, the commission was responding to complaints and concerns of those around this guy. The commission held off and gave him time to correct this, or at least keep them updated as to his problems and lack of progress but sincere intent. He didn’t do that. So whatever else, don’t condemn our commission for their decision, and get the facts first. THEN help this guy out, by giving him what he really needs, be it a new toilet or a new place to live. “
Sure Miss Dem Good Old Days wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:20 PM:
” Was a time we could tarred and feathered and ran this here this ne’er-do-well out of town on a rail! Ah, memories… “
B in M wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:06 PM:
” I just watched the video and don’t think it looks that bad. Look in any town in the US and you’ll find similar homes. “
MamaMia wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:51 PM:
” Before people get together and put sweat equity and 10 to 20 thousand dollars into this house, they need to look at the underlying pathology exhibited by Mr. Thorberg up to this point. Is there any guarantee that the property will not once again fall into disrepair as in the past? Mr. Thorberg is not getting any younger, and it seems any more ambitious. I would go very cautiously into this venture. Of course, there may be people who are using this situation to draw attention to themselves and their personal agendas. That would be very sad. “
Tarra wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:43 PM:
” “When do I get mine?” How typical. Some of the comments on here are so rotten and selfish. You folks would gladly spit on those of us willing to help out a person in need since that person IS NOT YOU or since you have nothing better to do than sit on your computer and play keyboard TROLL or warrior. Get your butt out and DO something for someone if you want to help and, if you don’t want to help, I guess sitting her bashing others is a perfect passtime. Ya know folks, you’re so willing to sit back and cast judgment on others when you may want to take a look at the log in your own eye. We’re reaching out to help this one person because we want to, because we can, because we think it’s the right thing to do. You think that’s wrong of us? Get over it. “
Native son wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:20 PM:
” To Jody. It appears he is undisciplined and sloppy. I am willing to help him financially but he has too literally clean up his act. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:10 PM:
” For those of you who care, come to his home tonight at 5:30pm wear red and stand in silence to support our vets and our military. A group of concerned citizens have organized and we will have a action plan to help Robert. Join with us. The issue is Robert obviously needs help to get his yard and home in shape. For whatever reasons it has not been done. We can scorn, preach, justify or we can simply help, as a community it is our choice. I choose to help. Would you kick someone if they fell down and tell them if they would have been more responsible, less lazy they should have picked up their feet to step over instead of tripping and falling? To me that is foolish and mean. My question to the city is why is this home assessed for taxes at a value of close to $50,000 if my calculation is correct? If the house is substandard why are his taxes this high and why are the special assessments higher than his taxes? “
Native son wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:45 AM:
” I have watched the Tribune video for the eighth time. Mr. Thorberg has lived with this sloppy mess so long that he no longer sees what a mess it is. Look at the video of the back yard, there is a sheet of plywood and other small pieces of debris lying everywhere. It takes little energy (not tomorrow or in a few days, but NOW) to walk out, pick it up and place it in a garbage can or pile it neatly. I am all for helping him and will do so financially if a bank sets up an account, but he must come to the realization he is in the predicament he is in because of his own irresponsible actions! He must change his ways. I would not tolerate him as a neighbor nor should his neighbors. Recently I injured myself; the accident resulted in a very long period of hospitalization and rehabilitation (six months). Fortunately I had a powerful and wonderful support group of family, friends and neighbors to see me through my setback. I am not out of the woods yet, but can see the light at the edge of the forest. I have a large yard (slightly over an acre) and will be mowing the grass this weekend. My yard is neat and a credit to my neighborhood. Mr. Thorberg I hope you are reading this or someone (lawyer?) brings it to your attention. Many others and I are willing to help you, but the ball will be placed in your court when your house and yard (both front and back) are repaired and cleaned up. If you don’t respect what the community has done and maintain your yard and home. Then eviction is the only answer. Citizens we must politely make sure he understands this simple concept. “
Jody wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:34 AM:
” The question really is why did he let his property get to the point that it was a year ago? If he is so handy as one commenter said why is it he never finished any projects he started? He says he contacted agencies for help but they were not able to. Did he continue to contact them because things change on a monthly basis and it is first come first serve for many of these. There are many programs available for vets specifically that he could have requested help from. Also the county housing has an emergency list that he could have put his name on and if the regular list is a year long then if he knew at the time he was told to clean up his act that he would not be able to he should have put his name on the list and by now he would have a safe clean enviroment. Most people are given 45-90 days to fix problems, and not going to meetings where he was requested did not help his situation. I have nothing personal against this man but he did not do everything he could to help himself and now he wants help in the eleventh hour. Obviously the inside of his house is pretty bad if he would not allow the Tribune to video inside. Fixing it up will not fix the problem if he could not keep up with maintenance begore why would you think he can now. All this help pouring in just tells others around town that if they wait they will get somebody else to do the work for them. If he has lived in this home pretty much all his life then why not keep up on maintenance. I respect vets very much but they also have the same responsibilities as the rest of us when owning property and now I hope Barta follows through with the problem homes I have talked to him about because it has been almost a year for them also. “
Peter K. wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:19 AM:
” Both of these cities are filled with thousands and thousands of people who take care of their homes. There are thousands of people who are on extreme limited budgets that still somehow manage to care for their homes and possessions. There are thousands of Vets in the area that have served and manage on their own one way or another. Drive the streets and you will see that everywhere, there is always a small fraction of people who are always needing or asking for help. These are the people that somehow after many years and decades of working, have somehow managed to not have a dime to their name. Am I my brother’s keeper? Ya, maybe at one time I thought I was. But in today’s society we have too many brothers who don’t even care enough to be their own keeper. Do we help those who won’t or don’t care to help themselves? It sure would be nice. But, unfortunately, I have been burned and taken advantage of so many times that I am no longer that caring-turn-the-other-cheek fellow. I have seen enough of people who abuse the good nature of others. Sorry man, but you’re on your own. “
Me Three wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:10 AM:
” I too could use some help with my taxes and repairs. My house is due for a paint job and I’ve been needing to change the linoleum in the bathroom, replace the worn out carpet, and install better kitchen cupboards. Tara? Anyone? When do I get mine. How long will I have to neglect everything before I reap your sympathy? “
GL wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:08 AM:
” There are more important issues at stake here.. I want to know which one of the city commish lives the closest to him or who their friends are.. there are entire trailerparks in mandan that need to be leveled and they are picking this guy out fo the crowd.. one more reason I would not consider moving to mandan and warn any newcomers about it. “
to ‘give it a chance’ wrote on Jun 22, 2007 10:55 AM:
” He had a year of chances & sat back & didn’t do anything. It’s time to say ‘enough is enough’. Laws & regulations are put into place for a reason & just because he’s a Vet doesn’t give him the right to ignore them. I feel for the neighbors for having to put up with this for so long. “
Look before you speak wrote on Jun 22, 2007 10:47 AM:
” Please~ to all of you concerned! Take the time and drive past this home and make sure to drive through the alley and look at the rear of this lot! Our officials are doing this man a favor. If you want to help him, help him find a suitable place to live. It is so easy to offer opinions but if you care so much! , take the step and go offer your help! We as human beings have obligations to help those in need! It is so easy to say ’someone’ or ’some agency’ should help! YOU! go help! It will make you feel better than venting on this site! My guess, this guy has lots of issues that he needs help with! “
Native son wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:41 AM:
” To explain, why? And Me Two. I don’t have a single simple answer to your questions and I don’t think anyone else does either. The Tribune article about the Mandan City Commission meeting and the apparent disapproval of some of the commissioners probably was responsible for triggering the response. Being evicted from ones home and then having the home demolished is a frightening thought, something many people can empathize with. The event obviously struck a nerve in a lot of people. Let us hope that the event un-folding before us will become a catalyst for positive change in Mandan and Bismarck. Let us hope that Mr. Thorberg realizes he has important responsibilities to the community if he is helped. Long ago, in Sunday school and then reinforced by our Mothers and Fathers, many of us were taught and the learned “that we are our bothers keeper” and that we are a community which means we have a shared interest in society. Most of us take pride we can stand on our own two feet, but realize because of events sometimes we need help. “
ND RESIDENT wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:39 AM:
” Some of you people say this all should have been done a year ago yes he didn’t go to the meetings but he prolly didn’t think it was worth his time and if you don’t have the money or the help then how are you suppose to fix it up. I mean this man has served our country and people sit back and thrash him because of the way his house looks and smells I can understand the neighbors complaining about smell but not everyone has the money to fix a place up give the poor guy a break and have some respect for him he served our country. “
to explain wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:37 AM:
” You wonder why this guy is being singled out as they are other houses in Mandan and Bismarck that are in disrepair! Maybe the other neighbors of these houses are not speaking up and showing concern for the safety and well being of their neighborhood! I know if I lived next to this trash mess, I would have complained. If he has all these people to do work for him, why didn’t he get around to this years ago. This problem didn’t just occur overnight!!!! “
Dave wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:27 AM:
” The commissioners should vote to just level downtown Mandan and start all over. This guy’s house is the least of their worries when it comes to “blight” in Mandan. “
Connor wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:25 AM:
” If the people help one person out fix their house because of the years of neglect they have demonstrated then there will be a waiting list for this kind of help. Being neglectful and lazy is the person’s lifestyle and they will probably not change because people donated their time and money the community has given. Be wise when helping others that won’t help themselves. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:22 AM:
” Just to be clear. We are not here (PGR) to in anyway BASH ANYONE, including the city commission, the officials, the neighbors, or Mr. Thorberg himself. For one thing, it would do no good. For another, it’s not our place and it’s not our mission. We are reaching out to help someone, PERIOD. You all can yell at this man or yell about the city all you want but the PGR wants NO part of that. Those who are interested in helping can keep track of what is going on at www.ndpatriotguard.org in the forums. Thanks all. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:03 AM:
” Well we certainly can’t read minds so if we don’t even know anything about you then we can’t help. “Me Two” - are you listed? LOL. WHY? Again, we didn’t know a year ago. How were we supposed to help if we didn’t know? The nice thing about the Tribune is that they allow us all to make comments. The bad thing is that we can all remain annonymous so we don’t know who is who or who is being honest or who is just trying to cause more arguments in the comment section. My email address was posted on the last article. If anyone needs me they have my address and anyone is free to contact me. “
Mandan Citizen wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:02 AM:
” Are all these concerned citizens also going to pay Mr. Thorberg’s back property taxes, which he has ignored for years. ($8,200.00 plus - open record) “
Give it a chance wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:54 AM:
” Give him a chance to make the repairs. This is the man’s home. Don’t take it away. This is truely a sad situation. Everyone deserves a chance to make things right and the committee needs to do the right thing. Back OFF!!! “
Watched the video wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:32 AM:
” In the video Thorber states “that’s not the problem, the problem is getting the Mayor and City Commission to back off”. No, Mr. Thorberg, the problem is YOU! YOU had warnings. YOU had time to do something and you didn’t. YOU were requested to show up to two meetings and you blew it off. YOU failed to act in a timely fashion. It’s always somebody else!! YOU are the problem. Not your neighbors. Not the Mayor. Not the City Commission. Not Barta. YOU!! “
Reality wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:19 AM:
” I think people need to realize this is already voted on. The city decided long ago. I think people need to focus on helping him find another place. After that, he needs to be monitored after that to make sure he doesn’t let ANOTHER place deteriorate. Don’t you think there is a reason you couldn’t go into the house?! The city is not Bullying this man. He has let his conditions get too unsatisfactory. It has been voted to be demolished. If the city starts to question it, let the city residents vote on it. The house is too far gone! Instead of please walk by, you will smell the odor, not even walking too close to it! “
US wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:16 AM:
” Hello On=-Line Editor, Where are the other blogs? I read some last evening, but not viewable today! TY. US “
explain wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:03 AM:
” I don’t understand why this guy is being singled out. You mean to tell me his house is the only one in Mandan, or Bismarck for that matter, that is run down and falling apart? “
PGR member wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:01 AM:
” The Help on the Homefront project would like to help, but I would like to see if the court issues the eviction and okay to demolish the house. I think it’s a tragedy that it has gotten to this point, but like the guy with the kennel east of Bismarck, the work just becomes more than one person can do. Tarra, keep us all updated on this. I have some carpentry and finish work skills and would be willing to help. DB “
why? wrote on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 AM:
” It’s great if the house can be saved, but why didn’t he do it a year ago when he was initially approached about the required repairs? “
Me Two wrote on Jun 22, 2007 7:01 AM:
” I too have a home that is in disrepair and needs fixing up inside and out. I too have trouble getting around. I too have served my country. I too would like all to come and fix up and clean up my property. Only difference is that I had to pay for my house, it wasn’t given to me. And I don’t have neighbors and the city inspection department complaining. When will you all show up and help me? “People complained: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:23 AM:
” I think you all need to remember the commission did not seek out this house or this man. The neighbors had had enough, and they have a few rights, too, since their property and values are reflected in the surrounding houses, as well. Since no one has been allowed inside, we should save our comments until the condition of the inside is revealed. We may all be surprised if we find out the place can’t be brought up to safe standards. We only know what the media has reported, and no more. “
Let’s Help wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:16 PM:
” Ok, mr mayor looks like your behind is on the line here along with the rest of the commision. I drove around most of Mandan today and if you start tearing down homes I made a list of 37 others that need alot of work and that does not include the 2 trailer courts that the tourits get to see on the way to Fort Lincoln. I diid not leave Bismarck out. Over 60 that look worse than the one you want to tear down plus a couple of apt houses in south Bismarck I can imagine what the inside looks like. Lamont you have managed to have more people leave Mandan business’ and residents. But you did make the 70 + group happy by making 2 bars slowly go broke. Now back to the house after my rant. Roll up your sleeves and let’s get to work to save this man’s house! Set up at fund at a local bank and I will hand deliver my check! “
mandan wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:15 PM:
” Instead of tearing down houses in Mandan, the commissioners should spend more of their time and effort on getting more business and fixing the streets. The sidewalks should be fixed as well. Taxes are high enough so repairs could be made. Isn’t real estate aquistion a conflict of interest…. “
Dave wrote on Jun 21, 2007 8:55 PM:
” What they need to do is just level Mandan and start all over. The whole town is a dump. “
amen wrote on Jun 21, 2007 8:43 PM:
” thank god for the people of N.D. I’m hoping it will all go well for him!! “
Not Buying it wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:51 PM:
” I’m not buying it. Sure video the outside but don’t come in. This is a sad case, the gentleman is obviously in need of assistance. What is he hiding inside that house? Somethings up! “
Always Watching From Afar wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:00 PM:
” Hey Step Up, I’ll be there with my tools and checkbook! Will you? “
Trailer Park Trash wrote on Jun 21, 2007 5:15 PM:
” That house doesn’t look bad at all. They should spare it and instead tear down all of the trashy trailers in Mandan. I think Mandan is the trailer park graveyard. Bismarck’s are awful too, but Mandan’s are worse. “
Mandan commission votes to evict vet, demolish home
By GORDON WEIXEL
Bismarck Tribune Robert Thorberg’s attempt to save his Mandan home was too little and too late as the city commission set in motion events that will culminate in Thorberg’s eviction and demolition of his domicile.Boehm Salvage was awarded demolition of 405 6th Ave. NW for $7,500 at Tuesday’s commission meeting. Demolition of the structure in which Thorberg resides was ordered at the June 5 meeting of the commission.
More than a year ago, responding to neighbor’s complaints, city assessor Richard Barta visited Thorberg’s home, only to find it bad disrepair. Thorberg was requested to do exterior work, including shingling, re-siding, replacing gutters and moving a dog run. During the course of the year, only an attempt at shingling was made.
The interior was also in bad shape, according to Barta, with walls down to the studs, the upstairs bathroom unusable and the downstairs bathroom also in bad shape. Visits were made by the fire department, police department and Social Services. There are concerns about the sanitary conditions. Neighbors complained of odors emanating from the property and the unkempt yard.
A letter was sent to Thorberg, hand-delivered by the police, that the city commission was considering taking action and asked him to come to a commission meeting to discuss the situation. Twice Thorberg failed to appear.
Attorney Ben Pulkrabek and Thorberg were in attendance at Tuesday’s meeting. Pulkrabek provided a proposal in which Thorberg would finish the shingling, re-side and put new gutters on the home as well as moving the dog kennel by the end of July. Commissioners were skeptical, asking why Thorberg had waited so long to reply and whether the $1,300 that was going to be spent to fix the home was adequate.
Pulkrabek said that fixing the house earlier would likely have resulted in its repossession by the bank. The attorney was able to work out an agreement with the bank to allow fixing the home and Thorberg to remain living there.
“I’ve been by that house every day for a number of years, and it’s just my opinion, that there is no way $1,300 will fix that house. … It can’t,” Mayor Ken LaMont said. “The sanitary condition leaves a lot to be desired. It’s a neighborhood issue. I hate to do this, but this is an issue that we have asked for quite a while to be addressed, and it hasn’t been done.”
Thorberg said he had only gotten one notice and since he had seen Barta a year ago, the assessor had never made an attempt to see him face-to-face.
“I’m willing to do anything,” Thorberg said. “Put on the siding, move the kennels …”
“Why didn’t you do this before?” LaMont asked.
“I didn’t have the money. Without having the money you can’t do much. I’ve gotten the money put together,” Thorberg said. “We will do the outside best we can. I’m trying to address the inside now.”
Commissioner Sandra Tibke asked Barta that, if the exterior work had been done a year ago, would it have been enough for Thorberg to stay in his home. Barta replied yes, but added that his recommendation now was to tear it down.
“If I wasn’t concerned about him (Thorberg) being homeless, it would have been torn down a long time ago,” Barta said. “But he’s had sufficient time, and something has to be done.”
Susan Beehler said she has concerns that the commission was setting a precedent and that there are other homes in similar shape that would have to come down. She asked the commission to hold off on demolition, review city ordinances and draft a maintenance ordinance that would provide Barta with a set of procedures rather than first moving to demolition. Beehler asked how the situation could go on so long and no agencies were providing help.
“I’ve gone to every program available,” Thorberg said. “Community Action was the only one that would talk to me. They are so far extended, they’re looking at October, that I didn’t think that was feasible. I went to some friends and got the money I needed. The house can be brought back, though the inside can’t be done immediately.”
It was pointed out that Thorberg is a veteran receiving a pension. Pulkrabek said he felt Thorberg should be able to keep up with the payments being requested by the bank.
“It’s going to take more than vinyl siding,” LaMont said. “For what it’s worth, he is not going to be homeless. He’s a veteran. He can be taken care of; we can follow through on that with Social Services.”
Commission Dan Ulmer made the motion to award demolition.
“The part that troubles me, it’s been a year and this is the third meeting in a row you (Thorberg) have been asked to appear,” Ulmer said.
“Why are you coming in at the last minute? More than that, there are all sorts of problems, the yard. You can put this patch in place, but the next piece comes along, and you’re not going to do it.”
The motion was approved on a 4-0 vote, with Commissioner Tim Helbling absent. Tibke and LaMont later said it was among the hardest votes they ever had to make.
Attorney Malcolm Brown will now put together the findings of the assessor, and Thorberg will be served with eviction papers through the district court. Thorberg will be able to appeal the order. Brown is uncertain how long the process will take.
(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@;bismarcktribune.com.)
To Rex, wrote on Jul 12, 2007 4:25 PM:
” And I blame Bill and Hillary Clinton. “
REX wrote on Jul 12, 2007 4:07 PM:
” I blame George Bush. “
DP wrote on Jul 11, 2007 11:29 PM:
” If you can’t afford the upkeep in light of the city’s requests, call somebody for cryin’ out loud. I think Mandan’s decision was a bit harsh, but good Lord, to sit on your butt while the city threatens to tear down your property for any reason is just irresponsible. He doesn’t deserve a handout. “
Funny wrote on Jul 11, 2007 1:02 PM:
” I find it comical that people come on here and reprimand others for commenting on these blogs and to get back to work, but what are they doing commenting on these blogs then? “
What? wrote on Jul 11, 2007 10:55 AM:
” Do you people take all your anger out on the Tribune comment section? It never ceases to amaze me all the arguing and childish name calling that goes on here. Grow up and get back to work. However if you are on summer break in between 7th and 8th grade then go clean your room. “
liz in mpls wrote on Jul 10, 2007 10:30 PM:
” you guys sound like a bunch of kids. mandan and bismarck are both great cities!! you all need to shut your mouths and go help this guy. you all would not be complaining if TY Penington from Home MakeOver was in town. you all would be trying to get to the front of the line so you can get your greedy little faces on T. V. people from all over the country can read what you write and it doesn’t make ND sound very smart. i’m almost disappointed in saying where i am from. so grow up and swing a hammer!!! support your follow human-being! “
NoDak John wrote on Jul 10, 2007 6:50 AM:
” Too old to help? Possibly, but I do wonder. When a small local church needed a means for those who could not climb stairs to have access, a bunch of old timers got involved. Yes, there was some help from the younger generation, but the bulk of the work on that three level project was done by a crew who’s youngest member was in his seventies. They designed the modification, financed it’s construction and completed the project in a little over 3 months. The little old church now has a new entry and a lift. Too old too help Bob? The oldest crew member on that Church repair was 92. I remember when neighbors helped each other. When a farmer broke his leg during harvest, his crops and fields were harvested and plowed by his neighbors in short order. A milking parlor burned at 10 AM and by evening, the building had been replaced and the cows had been milked. That is the stuff real ND people I remember are made of. They are the salt of the earth and don’t seem to know the word can’t. “
LK wrote on Jul 9, 2007 8:27 AM:
” I think that everybody should get back to work. “
GL wrote on Jul 7, 2007 6:22 PM:
” Who is George? Internet professional? “
To GL wrote on Jul 7, 2007 4:16 PM:
” Must be an interesting summer school class - Blogs-. You tried to make people think that you were so intelligent so I would think that you would be intelligent enough to take a higher ranked class - your true self must be coming out. Have you been over to help Bob in Mandan with his house? or is the city going to go ahead with demolition? “
Wow George, GL wrote on Jul 7, 2007 11:36 AM:
” A school project???? That was a pretty weak attempt to save face, we expected better out of a former “internet professional” such as yourself. How about you try again? “
To GL wrote on Jul 7, 2007 9:16 AM:
” What GL, you are not smart enough, you have to go back to school. Hmm, here I thought you knew everything about everything. I am sorely disappointed in you. Oh, guess that was just my perception of things since you blog onto just about every article there is. Good luck on that assignment. Hope your teacher gives you a good grade on that. “
GL wrote on Jul 7, 2007 7:59 AM:
” Just poking some fun @ Mandanites. Gee? I wonder why anybody would do that? Because they can take it so well. All of your responses to my jokes and poking fun at you is the reason people make fun of you in the first place. If you would just laugh and fire back with something about Bismarck it wouldnt be as much fun. This started as an experiment and turned into something so much more. I am writing a paper for my summer school on Blogs and how they can get carried away. I have been trying everybody and the beautiful people of Mandan were the first to actually take the bait. HOOK LINE AND SINKER… Thanks for the good times…. GL out “
Oxymoron: GL = Get’s It! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 8:32 PM:
” To: GL . . . It’s simple - even you can do it. Just look in the mirror and repeat “Cyber Bully, Cyber Bully.” See, that was easy, wasn’t it? I looked up Cyber Bully in the Dictionary and wouldn’t you know it - your picture was right next to the description. Have a good day! “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:34 PM:
” So long as I am acting from duty and conviction, I am indifferent to taunts and jeers. I think they will probably do me more good than harm “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:18 PM:
” A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. “
To GL wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:27 AM:
” Keep your nose where it belongs. You hate Mandan, we get it. So keep your comments about Mandan and the schools to yourself. This particular blog is about a gentleman that needs to have help with his house. Keep the blog about that. You need not put your negative attitudes in this blog. If you can’t help physically or monetarily, then just stuff a sock in it. You are a bully! “
GL wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:43 AM:
” I just read the article in the opinion letters . Sounds like I struck a note with somebody. I agree that Both schools should keep their name or both loose them.. the same way I believe that if they demolish this mans home then they should also demolish a ton of homes in Mandan. lets not pick and choose who gets punished. “
Glen Laducer wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:40 AM:
” Help this guy out as much as possible and save him from the Mandan city commission. He is a Vet and deserves a good home. “
GL wrote on Jul 6, 2007 8:24 AM:
” I dont want to help the guy.. Dont care how he lives. My point was that his house sort of fits in Mandan and dont understand why they are picking on this one guy when there are 100s of homes in Mandan that look bad. “
out of state wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:48 AM:
” Thank you MHS gradute for your post. You really hit the heart of the matter. I grew up in the Bis-Man area and it saddens me to see the real issue disintigrate into a mudslinging contest. Do anyone of you remember a time when neighbors and community members helped each other, or a time when everyone knew their neighbors. Are we such a careless, selfish group of human beings that we ignore each other until someone makes us unhappy or gets in our way? I am thankful for all of those who have come to Mr. Thorberg’s aid! If I were a resident of the area, and yes, I grew up in Bismarck, I would be working right alongside those who are helping this man as I do not have the financial means to assist with a monetary dontation. He deserves the chance to keep his home. Some comments have suggested re-housing this man as being a more cost effective solution. Guess again~the cost of ongoing subsidy even if it were available, would exceed the cost of the repair over the course of Mr. Thorberg’s lifetime. I know there are other buildings in both cities that are in equally bad or worse condition but because Mr. Thorberg is alone and appears to have other areas of need he was an easy target. As neighbors and citizens of a community we should be standing up for each other. Some of you who have posted are living in Ivory towers, and ivory towers fall. Any one of us could at some point in our lives be Mr. Thorberg. It only takes one life crisis to destroy everything a person has worked all their lives for. Look at Mr. Thorberg’s situation and remember that but by the grace of God there go I. “
to susan wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:37 AM:
” You are right unlike you she she the (heart of this matter) not the media attention. “
GEORGE LaFAVE G.L. wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:26 AM:
” Look at opinion section for the article : What about the Mandan Braves? “
Agree wrote on Jul 6, 2007 5:59 AM:
” To GL is a Troll: I agree. See today’s Bismarck Tribune for more evidence of that. Now, he has started a whole new ranting. However, that is on a totally different subject, so won’t go into it on this blog. “
GL is a troll wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:14 PM:
” Boy… It’s been a few days since I scanned the posts in here but people, again, GL is a message board troll, his opinion does not matter, he only posts to get a rise out of everybody, so just stop feeding him… Please…. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:49 PM:
” To MHS Graduate very well said! You see the “heart” of the matter. “
To GL: wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:27 PM:
” It seems you have your nose in Mandan business and it really doesn’t belong there. You have no right to decide what we should do over here, or what we should act like, or what we should live like. What is it about Bismarck that you feel in order to make it look good you need to make Mandan look bad? How does what we do here affect your life or your sleep at night? You seem to have just a bit too much time on your hands and like to spend it spewing negativity about people and a town you don’t even know or are a part of. You are one of those bitter people who like making others as miserable as you are. Keep your nose out of our business unless you have something constructive to contribute. I sure am glad you live in Bismarck, they can have ya! You would act the same no matter what city you live in, this seems to just be your personality. You appear to be a miserable, mean spirited, jealous and bitter person who likes to make others feel the same. Take it someplace else. “
MHS Graduate wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:14 PM:
” I have read through all of these posts. On the one hand I am happy that so many people care enough to take the time to post. On the other hand I am saddened to see the conversation degrade to a spitting contest between the pro-Bismarck/anti-Mandan crowd and their antithesis. I would hope we could find a way to treat ALL or friends and neighbors a lot better than we have Mr. Robert Thorberg. I worked for Bob in the summers on one of his lawn crews. He deserves better than this. Not specifically because he is a veteran, but because he is a human being. The fact that he is a veteran, in my opinion should afford him a greater degree of respect and admiration. Many of the post here are insulting. Do many of you find it so hard to put yourself in Mr. Thorberg’s shoes? This is a man about to lose the home that he has lived in for most of his life. A home his parent’s owned. That he now owns. That isn’t just being taken from him; it is in fact scheduled to be erased from this world. If you were in his place would you not hope, no pray for someone to intervene? I am hopeful that we can find a way to help Mr. Thorberg and anyone else who needs our help. I for one am willing to help. “
Time to move on. wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:08 PM:
” I think we should accept each others opinions, but really we need to leave the Bis vs. Mandan out of this. Focus on the article please. If you want to argue about which is better, there are bars, and other(few) public places for that. This house is still going to be demolished, so instead of people putting more time and effort, money, etc into it, lets see that this is a done matter. Maybe someone else who hasn’t gotten demolish orders can be helped. “
Momof3 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:52 PM:
” Well, you sit on your butt since you are too old to shingle. There are other things to do for this gentleman, perhaps fix things inside, but guess you are too old for that. Oh, if you really want to help him out, perhaps you could write a check and get it to Tarra or Susan. I am sure they would accept that help too. Also, I know not everyone in Bismarck feels the same way about Mandan as you do. There are just some of you who are all high and mighty that do. You claim to have friends (I question that point), that live in Mandan that are saving up to move to Bismarck. Well, if you are too old to shingle, then I would say that the only place they might be saving to move to is the Waterford or perhaps St. Vincent’s Nursing Home. “
GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:31 PM:
” Nope, pretty much all of us that live in Bismarck feel the same way about Mandan.. sort of like a red headed step child. Some of us are nice and dont talk about it. I am trying to help by making these things common knowledge and letting the people of Mandan know how we feel about you so that you can make changes and be accepted. sorry I was so blunt… “
to mom of 3 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:29 PM:
” I did work for a living and now I am enjoying the fruits of my labor. I now run my own business and sit on my butt. I am to old to shingle a roof… but I can afford to pay somebody to do it. “
Momof3 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:11 PM:
” Oh, so you can run your mouth muscles, but don’t have enough muscles in your arms or legs to get out and help this gentleman out? Apparently they have wasted away from sitting on your posterior all day at your computer, in your air conditioned house, not lifting a finger and running your business. You must feel so good about yourself sitting back and ranting about others, but not look in the mirror and address your own shortcomings, but then I guess that is just how some of you from Bismarck are. “
GL to momof3 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:10 PM:
” But it is so much more fun running down mandan.. Bismarck has its problems as well.. but we address them and at least try to take care of them in a civilized manner.. I dont remember the last time Bismarck issued a demolition order on a private residence that somebody lived in.. and we are almost 3 times the size of mandan.. over twice the size anyway (for you nit pickers) I cant help but think to myself that I am helping mandan by pointing out all of the short comings. “
To the three musketeers wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:10 AM:
” These are Tarra, GL, and Susan. If those three could all get together at the same time and work on Bob’s house, they would make a good “trio”. Susan may have a little more on the ball then GL and Tarra so could be the leader beings she is so knowledgeable on government issues. We are eagerly awaiting the time that you three can get Bob’s mess cleaned up - perhaps Susan you can get the city commission or Barta to hurry up on the permits so you can continue. I have driven by this place daily and have often wondered why the neighbors put up with this mess and smell. Guess they had enough to complain now! I just drove past a place in ElRancho Trailer park the other day and could give you the address so that you could clean up around there without a permit and help this elderly gentleman out - don’t know if he is a vet or not but it sure looks like he could use some help. Don’t let your efforts stop with Mr. Thornberg’s house. “
Momof3 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:43 AM:
” You know, GL, instead of running down Mandan, perhaps you should show what a great person you really are and come and help all the fine people that are helping Mr. Thorberg and put your “muscles” in your arms and legs to work rather than the muscles in your mouth. You certainly seem to have a lot of extra time on your hands, so should be able to do so. I am sure that Susan and Tarra would appreciate the time you put in. “
To GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:34 AM:
” The devil is on earth, in the form of YOU. By the way, if you didn’t get the little joke that To Kev wrote, you apparently aren’t as up on your humor as you think you are. “
GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:12 AM:
” Nope!! Mandan Braves is just as bad as the UND Fighting Sioux.. If UND looses its name they all go. Sure am glad the devil isnt on earth. he might think that the Demons are offensive. “
GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:10 AM:
” Twice a year… 4th of July and Buggies and Blues.. I Think I have stated this many times.. They are the 2 days out of 365 that dont suck in Mandan.. Everybody should move there…..I couldn’t understand a thing that guy said to you Kev… I dont think that he knows how to type. “
GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:27 AM:
” I just did a search myself and there were no violent crimes in Mandan commited by bismarck residence.. however, since you mentioned it.. There were 12 crimes in Bismarck committed by Mandan residents.. at least they all gave a mandan address. most of them were from Ft. Yates. Your mouth just keeps digging you a bigger hole.. typical of a Mandanite “
To GL wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:31 AM:
” Boy, you sure seem to come to Mandan a lot since it sucks so much. Also, as far as the Braves. Since Mandan has “such a high population of Native Americans” perhaps maybe they are proud to be called the Mandan BRAVES. “
To Kev wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:26 AM:
” Yup, we all are just unedecated hicks ore’ here in Mandan, sittin’ in hour Feords and Shevies watchin’ that good ole’ forth of juuuli porade, pickin’ our teeth with hour tow nale clipper. “
kev wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:53 AM:
” It doesn’t really matter who did the crime or where they’re from but I assume that all crime statistics are based on the cities police dept. records. They all go to the FBI for the national crime stats. Blaming crime on more educated Bismarck residents though sounds like something an uneducated person would do, that more likely resides in Mandan. Based on those stats I brought to the table I can make the claim that Mandan has a bunch of uneducated rednecks that like to fight, compared to Bismarck’s population. I mean assaults more than double Bismarck!!!! Come on, can you say stereotype that fits Mandan perfectly. “
To GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 10:52 PM:
” It’s conceivable that some of the Mandan crime stats consist of crimes done by Bismarck residents and vice versa, is that simple enough for you, or should we see if Sesame Street will do a special for you? “
To GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 8:17 PM:
” Yes, I saw you today at Art in the Park. “
GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 7:09 PM:
” Why would they be listed in order of where the criminals were from.. Would a Crime that takes place in New York by a Mandan native raise the crime average in Mandan?? The stats are by the location of the crime. wow? You must be from Mandan. I stopped by the art in the park today.. nice over there.. I left a ton of trash by the curb… the garbage cans were nowhere to be found. sorry.. Didnt get assulted and my car was still where I left it.. all in all a great trip to Mandan “
Hey Kev… wrote on Jul 4, 2007 3:29 PM:
” Were those crime stats based on where they occurred or what city the offenders lived in. That may change the way you’re trying to apply the data… but I’m sure you thought of that. “
GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 10:05 AM:
” Its not Bismarcks fault that mandan is what it is. “
susan Beehler wrote on Jul 4, 2007 9:44 AM:
” Tearing down people, tearing down homes and tearing apart cities does nothing but leave torn down people, vacate lots and animosity(hostility), tearing down is not “better” unless you enjoy the company of mob and lynch mob mentality. “
GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 8:00 AM:
” The next obvious question is when will they take the Braves away from Mandan. The City commish should tackle this question for the City.. With such a high population of Native americans the name of the schools mascot should be looked at and changed. NCAA has put UND in their place and now its time to shed some light on Mandan High “
TO KEV from GL wrote on Jul 4, 2007 7:41 AM:
” Thanks man… finally some statistics that back up what I have known all along. Mandan is a good town but not as good as Bismarck. Bismarck Rules, Mandan sucks. Go Demons!!! “
kev wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:36 PM:
” While were on the topic that Mandan sucks, I’d like to throw in some statistics to back that up. Let’s compare education of people in Mandan to Bismarck. For population 25 years and over in Mandan, 82.5% have high school or higher education compared to 87.5% for Bismarck. 19.0% have Bachelor’s degree or higher compared to 29.4% for Bismarck. 3.9% have Graduate or professional degree compared to 7.7% for Bismarck. Mandan also has 3.7% unemployment compared to Bismarck with 3.2%. Travel time to work if you live in Mandan is 18 mins compared to Bismarck with 13.9 mins. With Bismarck having a more educated population, can you guess which city has more crime? Since 2002 Mandan’s crime has been worse than Bismarck. Looking at the 2005 crime stats Mandan has more than double the assaults per 100,000 compared to Bismarck. Mandan has about the same rate of Burglaries, Thefts, Auto thefts and Arsons as Bismarck, that means Mandan has less than half the population of Bismarck but with the same amount of crime. There you have it! Mandan does really suck. It’s not the worse place to live in North Dakota but Bismarck is better hands down. You can check it out for yourself at www.city-data.com “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 4:22 PM:
” I want to drive by this guys house anyway… its on 6th right? See you at the concert. I’ll be the one telling Manan Jokes.. “
To GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 2:24 PM:
” You coming to Mandan tonight brings a whole heck of a lot more negativity than is already here. “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 12:31 PM:
” Not stating EVERYTHING is bad, just alot of negativity in general in Mandan. “
GLGL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 12:22 PM:
” just having fun with you guys.. I think Tarra is the only one here that gets it. If you were smart you would have fired back at me with some good stuff about bismarck.. instead of defending Mandan so hard.. Its almost like I struck a sore spot. HAve a great 4th of July everybody.. I am on my way to Mandan for the Johny Holms show on the hill tonight. “
Exactly wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:58 AM:
” There are other names for people like GL, but they can’t be printed here. Also, GL, why would you have a job at Cloverdale? That is another successful business here in Mandan and according to you, why would anyone want to live or work in Mandan. That would be the most awful affliction that could be put upon someone according to you. I think too if you look in the paper or listen to the news, you will see many crimes committed in your beautiful city of Bismarck. No town is without crime, no matter how big or how small. “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:42 AM:
” Thank you… sombody educated Mandan.. I am a Troll… not a business owner from a beautiful town called Bismarck.. If you ignore me I will just change my screen name and come right back at you.. “
gl is a troll wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:25 AM:
” GL is what is commonly referred to on internet sites as a troll, who’s main purpose is to post simplistic comments aimed at making people mad to respond back to him to feed his need for attention. Just ignore him. He probably does “own” a home based business because he cannot get hired in the real world. “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:28 AM:
” The line of work that I am involved in would be a little bit over a Mandanites head. I dont have a store that you can walk into and assult me the way a Mandanite would handle being made fun of. I work from home and own my own business. All these people keep asking me to tell them where I am located so that they can come see me.. so freaking funny. It would be a mandanite that would not comprehend a business that didnt sell candy bars and sewing machine or vacume cleaners. What other kinds of stores are in Manan?? Cenex, car dealerships up the wazooo. Do you even have a KFC?? we have 2. “
GL wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:23 AM:
” Seven people have been charged in connection with the beating of a Mandan man over the weekend. Acting Mandan Police Chief Dennis Bullinger said officers responded to a report of a man passed out in a vehicle at 12:45 a.m. Sunday. Police found Robert Ponce, 23, who had been severely beaten and placed in his car on the 800 block of South Frontier Trail, Bullinger said. Nice Town, Nice people…. This just keeps getting better and better. Why is it so hard for this guy to believe that I am a business owner?? because I like to poke fun at Mandan. The funniest part of this is that the reason I poke so much fun at mandan is because of the people. This guy cant take a joke so I keep pooring it to him. most of the people that respond to my rants just correct my spelling or call me a strange name. If I didnt own my own business how would I be able to be online wasting time like this at 9:30 in the morn. Unless I had a night job at cloverdale or something. “
Tear down wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:13 AM:
” Even though Tarra and GL are having their ’spat’, I think the fact remains that this house is being demolished. I was at the meeting and he had friends/family(?) there saying they would help fix it up. The city still is going ahead to demolish. If he wanted a houe to get run down, maybe he should’ve moved out of city limits. That way he could let whatever animal run freely in his house. But in town, who wants to live next to that?! Tear it down, and make our town better. “
To Tarra wrote on Jul 3, 2007 4:52 AM:
” I do think what you are doing is great. What I don’t like is when someone such as GL, who claims to be a business owner, cuts down my hometown. I just don’t feel, even if he is trying to be comical, that this is necessary. Also, calling me an idiot is very uncalled for and not professional (if he indeed is a business owner, which I doubt, but it doesn’t really matter). He is just one of those people that doesn’t know when to stop. I am happy to live in Mandan and proud of it. We have many things to be proud of in our community, even if GL does not think so. He is just a person with a problem. “
to Tara hartl from GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:49 PM:
” thanks for being a good sport.. makes the website a heck of alot more fun. MANDAN STINKS!!! “
Former Mandanite wrote on Jul 2, 2007 6:13 PM:
” Way to stick to your guns Terra. I for one think what you and your group are doing is great. I hope you can just let all these uncalled for comments roll of your back. Keep up the good work. “
Tarra wrote on Jul 2, 2007 4:04 PM:
” “first to Tarra if you are so busy why are you bothering to comment at all” — I am a multi-tasker. I can do many things at once. And God forbid I am taking the time to read and comment here… ummm… just like you… So, why are you bother to comment at all? Nevermind. Rhetorical question. I really don’t care or want to know. (I seriously think it is comical how you people can tear down EVERYTHING I do including commenting “at all” and finding some humor in something someone posted…. Gosh darn I must be popular). “
Tarra wrote on Jul 2, 2007 4:01 PM:
” Not cool? LOL… I am not cool. Oh well, I guess I will live. I’m sorry if you and I have a different sense of humor and like many here we disagree about pretty much everything. Welcome to America!! If I don’t laugh at something here I am most certainly going to cry because you’re all pretty much rude and nasty. But I am “not cool”?? That cracks me up. Whatever. At least I use my name when I post and I stand behind everything I post. Very few do that. I have nothing to hide, I am honest, and I am doing what I believe is a good thing. But go ahead and cut me down for finding something about this whole mess a little humorous. Seems I can’t do anything right huh? It matters not what I do or say, you will all find something about it to rip apart and criticize so what the heck, have at it. “
To Tarra wrote on Jul 2, 2007 2:12 PM:
” I am glad you find it humorous for someone to put down a town by comments. Here you are supposedly trying to help out a man in this town and are so great about doing it, but this man talks smack and it is funny? Supposedly this GL dude is a businessman. I won’t believe he is until he can tell us what he owns, which he will not do, so I don’t believe him when he says he is a business owner. However, if he is indeed a business owner, he should not be talking this way, even if it is supposedly “just smack.” I take pride in my community and for someone else to come on here and cut down EVERYTHING about the community, well, I just can’t help but think this man is very angry and mean. This is not a basketball or football game, this is life and the town I live in. You do not like people talking bad about you or the people that are helping Mr. Thorberg or even about Mr. Thorberg himself, but yet, you find it amusing that he is putting down a whole town. Not cool! “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 2, 2007 12:20 PM:
” GL I get that you’re talking smack and I think you’re funny. I really enjoy the comic relief amongst the depression!! “
Mandan wrote on Jul 2, 2007 11:58 AM:
” first to Tarra if you are so busy why are you bothering to comment at all. To Susan the point that the city could take the property is no different than the fact that they can evict and demolish a property that is unsuitable i.e. nonmaintained, etc. You continue to blast the city but that home looks and smells the same for the past 5-6 years and the complaints came through a year ago when Barta followed up with an inspection. A year later it still looks and smells the same and Barta checked back on the property. Barta brings the recommendation to the commission. Thorberg borrowed money from friends, why not ask there help to clean up? I have never said that he did not need help. I made 4 calls to 4 agencies that if they couldn’t help gave info on others that could. One of the agencies I called was one that he said he contacted. He was very vague on who he contacted. He states that he would not be homeless which means he has friends to ask help from. The deterioration of his home was not overnight. Had this been a person that was not a vet, or on social security, would you have been on the bandwagon so fast? I highly doubt it. I help people out all the time and I do not differentiate between one or another. I am not sure you are doing the best for him. Fix his home so the city or bank can take it away. 8200 in back taxes is alot of money and money owed to the bank yet too. Put things into perspective prior to doing something is more helpful than diving in head first and causing an uproar. “
bystander wrote on Jul 2, 2007 10:41 AM:
” To GL: Just remember that what you say can come back to bite you in the rear-end. Yes, Mandan has it’s share of crap just like any other town. We may not have a lot to do here, but keep in mind that Mandan has TWO bowling alleys and Raging Rivers, a skate park, nice ball diamonds, the Community Center, Rodeo grounds, soccer fields, the Speedway, etc. “
To GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 10:17 AM:
” I was not talking about the Pizza Ranch when I said you must have had your head under a rock. Go back and read again. Also, if you do indeed own a business, which I am beginning to doubt, you must not have much confidence in your fellow bloggers if you can’t tell us what company you have. Perhaps maybe we could make you richer by patronizing your business. “
GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:59 AM:
” Must have had my head under a rock.. I knew about the Pizza Ranch. “
GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:59 AM:
” Me telling you that would be about as stupid as if I decided to move to mandan. I hope you guys know that I am just talking smack with you. I think the rivalry between Bismarck and Mandan is a blast. I guess I have never been on the other end of this joke before. Living in Bismarck and all. Have a great 4th of July. Other than Buggies and Blues , 4th of July is one of the only chances you get. “
To GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:59 AM:
” Yes, it is working out quite well for our very talented young ladies and our very proud town to be ND 5 Time Girls Basketball State Champions. Thanks for asking. (I also am sure you knew that, unless you have your head under a rock somewhere.) “
To GL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:58 AM:
” Yes, please let us know which business you own. I am sure we are all anxious to visit and support you. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:50 AM:
” To Mandan, I disagree with your “issue”. The issue is the city code and how this process was handled. The code does not say it is okay to proceed with demoliton if the homeowner is late on taxes or their mortgage or after a year. The code clearly states a procedure as to a home can be “taken”. The city may have looked at the home a year ago, but the code clearly states a time table and the duty of the city commission and the building inspector. I focus on this as a issue, because our highest “code” in our country, the constitution, protects our rights from being deprived of our “property, land” and due process. The city got complaints and took years to follow through, years of their inaction does not justify skipping due process. Bob has lived here pretty much since 1958, it wasn’t until his disability interfered with his upkeep of the house the situation became intolerable to neighbors. Disabilities when acquired over a period of time can make it difficult for any person to “admit” they have limitations and people many times do not realize when a person cannot do something in the same way, in the same time frame if they can do it all. It would be similiar to telling a person who is blind to read, a person with no legs to walk. The posts judging “Bob” are not acknowledging his disability and lack compassion. Justifying demolition and eviction does little to recognize his situation and lacks compassion. “
Tarra Hartl, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:55 PM:
” First of all, I have no beef with the city of Mandan. As an organization we are reaching out to help the vet and the situation and, ultimately, the city of Mandan and the neighbors. So I just want to be clear on that. In all honesty I am seriously looking at moving to Morton county. Nicer land. And, I love the Pizza Ranch. Let me tell you folks, if you have not been there, it is one heck of a claim to fame. Their chicken is absolutely wonderful. I did the snoopy dance (it wasn’t pretty but thank God no one was watching) when Mandan got a Pizza Ranch. I had eaten the one in Lisbon many a time. NOW on to the issue at hand. “mandan” posted, “He had a YEAR to do something even if it was cleaning up the yard. He did nothing.” I am not in the mood to pick your entire post apart so just let me tell you this. That is not true. An entirely incorrect statement. And, all of you who keep on saying things like that are not helping anything. But, that’s okay. I don’t have time for ya. I am busy helping. I am about done reading the comment section. It feels so good to get out and HELP and then you come home to this crap…. how depressing!!!! Have a nice day!! “
Bob Farley wrote on Jul 1, 2007 8:19 PM:
” Hey GL, which fine establishment in Bismarck do you own? “
GL wrote on Jul 1, 2007 2:34 PM:
” I am a business owner, I located in Bismarck because it is more business friendly. I had no idea that you had won the girls Basketball championship 5 times. Congrats.. I hope that works out for ya. “
Mandan wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:43 AM:
” Thorberg said he went to housing so he is willing to move. Also he went to friends to get money together at the last minute,why not get their help with cleaning the yard? He states himself he will not be homeless. He lived here all his life but did not do the needed basic maintenance. This did not happen overnight. I have two large dogs and clean up after them so it does not bother my neighbors, he could not even do that. Vet or not he has the same responsibilities as any homeowner. He is an adult so should not need to be babysat by the city to clean his act up. A lot of people are saying he fought for our freedom. Well doesn’t that include being able to be free from the bad conditions of his property. He had a YEAR to do something even if it was cleaning up the yard. He did nothing. He owes back taxes and the bank so even after fixing the property you may not be helping him because the city or bank could still foreclose. I am willing to help people out but when they don’t even try to help themselves and don’t bother to follow up on notices then he does not show the willingness to help himselves. I he is in this position but he did put himself here not anyone else. Everyone deserves a chance yes but he has had plenty and now people want to jump on the bandwagon and help now. No I do not see the city accomplish alot of things that seem so great around here and did not vote for most of them but for once they are following through and everyone is upset. If the city does not get the complaints like they did here they don’t do anything. They got the complaints and followed through whether people like their decision or not is not the issue. “
To GL wrote on Jun 29, 2007 1:50 PM:
” I would appreciate it if you would not call me an idiot. I am by no means an idiot. Also, Pizza Ranch is not our only claim to fame in Mandan. I know you will have something stupid to say, but we also are ND GIRLS BASKETBALL FIVE TIME STATE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But, that is totally off this subject. You are not worthy of the air I breathe and you are a very mean and awful person. You must be a joy to live with, work with (if you indeed work) and be neighbors with. Sorry you are so unhappy with how Mandan operates, but you know what, stick a sock in it and since you hate Mandan, just don’t worry about what we are doing over here and keep your nose over on your side of the river. “
toughguy22 wrote on Jun 29, 2007 12:30 PM:
” I admire the Mandan City Commission for finally taking some action and sticking to its all too oft stated claim of trying to improve our city. The Commission next needs to start demolishing the trailer courts. Let’s get rid of these rat holes and our crime will go down, Sometimes doing the right thing for the good of the city means that the self-proclaimed “do-gooders” will be upset. GO BRAVES!!! “
Tarra Hartl - ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:33 AM:
” Those who wish to read more about Bob & what we’re doing, I have posted a story about him in my blog: http://bismarcktribune.com/blog/?w=tch&e_id=2475/ Oh yeah. And I LOVE the Pizza Ranch! “
GL wrote on Jun 29, 2007 9:11 AM:
” I got a little carried away there.. Its all in good fun. Everybody settle down… “
Mandan Resident wrote on Jun 29, 2007 8:49 AM:
” I live in Mandan and am proud of it. Why is it that City of Mandan is tearing down all of the buildings? Now we are tearing down houses too? What is wrong with this City? They would rather spend more money on demolition than fixing the property up? Give this poor guy a chance to get his house back into shape. There are several people willing to help! I know of lots of houses in Mandan that people have torn out the plaster and lived without walls for years, does that mean we should go rip their houses down? “
GL wrote on Jun 29, 2007 8:18 AM:
” If you wanted to remove all of the eye sores in Mandan you better get up pretty early in the morning and get to work.. Bismarck has a few as well but we hide them better .. by our “real” airport and in areas that are worth less (property) Whats the name of the John Mayer song .. “tear down paradise and put up a Pizza Ranch” I cant believe that Pizza Ranch is the only claim to Fame that Mandan has … Every hick town in ND has a Pizza Ranch you idiot. except Bismarck. they must not have thought it would fit in very well on this side of the river. I used to come to mandan when the dancers were there.. but since they left I only come over to make fun of my friends that cant afford to live in Bismarck and are saving money for the move. “
toughguy22 wrote on Jun 29, 2007 12:31 AM:
” congrats to the mandan city commission for finally taking some action in removing the eyesores. this is one step in starting to improve our city. let’s start ripping down some more and making our city better. also, thank you to all our vets and remember them this 4th of July. GO BRAVES!! “
TO: To What is a Chili Peeper wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:21 PM:
” ” I was never in the shop because it did not fit a need I had.” So, your perceived need prevented you from supporting this business. How could you POSSIBLY know if it “fill(ed) a need,” if you even bother to stop in? Whew! We are getting way off subject, but the goofiness of some of Mananites boggles the mind. “
To What is a Chili Peeper wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:59 PM:
” No, I was never in the shop because it did not fit a need I had. Not patronizing a business does not make me high and mighty. I am by far not a high and mighty person. I accept people for who they are, not how much money they make, what their house looks like or where they work, or even where they live. “
What is a chili peeper? wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:47 PM:
” a “chili peeper” is an hastily misspelled reference to a business downtown a few years back that tried their darnest to develop a niche market for speciality sauces right smack dab in the middle of downtown Mandan. With your “high and mighty” attention to details such as misspelled words, you probably didn’t bother to stop in to the place. So much for your support of locally owned businesses. Ha! “
To Give GL a break wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:21 PM:
” What is a chili peeper? Also, we have a Pizza Ranch that is doing very well and supports our community very well. I also like the small town feeling of Mandan. That is my personal opinion and my option. I just don’t get why the people in Bismarck feel they need to downgrade Mandan. Apparently it makes them feel better about themselves. However, it just shows how self-centered these people are. I cannot say that everyone in Bismarck is like this, as I have met many people in Bismarck that are not uppity. However, apparently they are not posting on here. Also, I find it kind of amusing how the people of Bismarck are whining about getting another pool. They whine and cry because they need another pool for their kids and then a place is chosen and it is not a good enough place. However, we are getting totally off of what this blog is really about with all the calling of names, etc.. The issue at hand is this “veteran gentleman” that needs to have his home and yard fixed up. “
TO: To Give GL a break: wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:01 PM:
” the demographics of the town would dictate fewer “High and Mighty.” I’ll eat the hat, too bad I can’t buy some hot sauce at the Chili peeper store few of you Mandanites supported. Another small business failure do to lack of support from the community. Ha! “
To To GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:50 PM:
” Great post. You summed up life in Mandan nicely. Thanks. “
To GL: wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:10 PM:
” Let me answer your question why anyone would want to live in Mandan. We could have lived in Bismarck but picked here. I have lived in the same neighborhood for 30 years, and I love it! Do I have a Walmart next door? No. Do I have a K-mart within walking distance? No. But those things to me are not living. Living is being able to walk around the neighborhood and see good friends and visit. Living is going downtown and running into friends and people in the community. Living to me is a little slower paced life, less traffic and quiet streets. Living is feeling confident in my surroundings, which do not have to include big stores. If I need something Mandan doesn’t have, I can go 7 miles and get it, and then some HOME. Until the rebels in the city caused a ruckus when the dancers were booted, and until our resident city Watch Dog started her campaign, this was a peaceful nice little city. I am waiting for the rebels and watchdogs to knock off the disruptive behavior and let this city be. That’s why I live in Mandan, because Bismarck did not appeal. Still doesn’t. You have problems of your own but I keep my nose out of them. Why don’t you do the same? You don’t live here, know nothing about living here, and know nothing about what really goes on here. Mind your own business, and stop adding fuel to an already unnecessary fire here. “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:10 PM:
” To to online editor: Thanks for the heads up, the comment was removed. “
To GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:54 PM:
” Well, you take Bismarck, I will take Mandan. I don’t know that anyone is forcing you to even come to Mandan. Besides, if the bridges were blown up, you couldn’t get over here anyway, which might be just as well. Also, I have NEVER, NEVER SAID that I was from Bismarck-Mandan when asked where I am from. I have always said I am from Mandan. “
To Give GL a break wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:51 PM:
” Hope it tastes good. I don’t recall saying we were free of the high and mighty in Mandan, just that we don’t have all the people thinking they are high and mighty that Bismarck does. In fact, I have been to a City Commission meeting. “
GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:45 PM:
” I never said that I hated anybody that lives in Mandan.. I just get a kick out of the rivalry between two small towns.. I went to BHS.. it is just sort of somthing that you are brought up making fun of.. Mandanites are good people.. as good as any in ND (minus Grand Forks) Didnt mean to get everybody all excited and speaking of hate. I just think that Mandan is like a red headed stepchild of Bismarck.. when you as anybody where they are from they will say the name of the town.. I’m from Bismarck… but when you as a person from mandan where they are from they say Bismarck-Mandan or “Mandan, we are right across from Bismarck” its just sort of funny.. I think the two communities are about as joined as they can get and if your city commission would start living into days world with todays laws and priorities Mandan could have the same perks as Bismarck.. But as of right now for the life of me I cant think of a good reason to live in Mandan other than its close to Bismarck. “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:07 PM:
” To Tarra: Please leave out the hate mail reference. “
give GL a break wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:21 PM:
” You know, GL has made some great comments about the state of affairs here in Mandan. With tongue firmly planted in cheek he promotes Pismarck well. I got to get a kick out of one anti-GL posts, that said, “One reason I enjoy living in Mandan is because we don’t have all the high and mighty people that think they are better than anyone else like.” This poster must have never been to a Mandan City Commission meeting or be a neighbor to Thorburg. “High and Mighty?” If Mandan is free of the high and mighty posers, I’ll eat my hat. “
To GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM:
” You sure do sound like a nice guy to have as a neighbor - do you have neighbors or are they all run off with your nice attitude? I wonder what the city of Mandan did to you that you hate the town and everyone in it - could you share with us? When we moved here(Mandan) 27 years ago we had the choice of living in Mandan or Bismarck. Guess where we choose? This bashing of Mandan and it’s people really shows your intelligence and caring attitude. It looks like Mandan has some caring people that are willing to help out their fellow man - it appears that people didn’t know about this man’s dilema until it hit the papers or maybe something would or could have been done before. Enjoy your stay in Bismarck!! “
To GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:17 AM:
” One reason I enjoy living in Mandan is because we don’t have all the high and mighty people that think they are better than anyone else like some in Bismarck do. You must be a very angry and unhappy person for everything awful and nasty that you have to say about everyone else. I am sorry for you. You have to try to make everyone else feel like crap just so you can feel better about yourself. You are a piece of work and believe me when I say that it is not a work of art. 629 “
to GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:56 AM:
” A huge problem in alot of peoples minds is that many Mandan residents spend TOO much attention to Bismarck. I know I do. But that is just because Bismarck holds everything I need, aside from Groceries. Making ‘Mandan fend for themselves’ would just result in many companies failing, since almost all the population here works in Bismarck. Also would hurt your economy there, thus making YOUR taxes higher too! Just a thought so next time you decide to exclude ANY people from Bismarck, you may think twice. What will be your NEXT comment?……..trying to keep the farming communities from visiting Bismarck? “
to GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:42 AM:
” I got to stick up for Mandan after your last post. Bismarck can have BOTH Wal-Marts and Sam’s Club. (Tax free buildings for the richest folks in the US.) Mandan has plenty to offer. Look at their TV ads. Bars, bars and pawn shops. That way we can hock our personal property to pay ever increasing property taxes that go for little else than tearing down businesses and now homeowner occupied homes. With the bars’ happy hour deals, you can afford to drown your tax sorrows. Does the Capital City have all that? Humbug! “
GL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:36 AM:
” Why on earth would anybody enjoy living in Mandan. Could it be the taxes, oops they are higher, could it be the great shopping? prob not.. could it be the wonderful law enforcement? I highly doubt it. hmm?? the only reason that anybody I know lives in Mandan is that they couldnt afford a home in Bismarck and wanted to look like they were doing better than they are. Oops, there I went and spilled the beans.. The real reason anybody moves to Mandan.. Cheap housing that looks like the house that you could buy in Bismarck if you could afford to live in a real town with stores and such. Other than the Interstate I wish they would have just blown up all of the bridges and let Mandan fend for themselves for a while. maybe then they would appreciate Bismarck a bit more. my spelling sucks “
To out of state wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:59 PM:
” I could not agree more with what you have said, Very well put. This is the problem with society today no one can stand on their own two feet and they expect the government to bail them out every chance they get. These are the same people who want to penalize the hard working people who work two or three jobs and have boats, campers & toys. Take from the ones that work hard so the lazy can stay home and collect a check and get on every government program there is. Take from those who work hard to provide public transportation, food stamps, welfare and such. ( I did not make this comment about Mr. Thorberg because I do not know him. It was a comment in general) “
To Out of State: wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:15 PM:
” You have several good points, however, I don’t think it is the city’s responsibility to get these people help and set them up someplace. If conditions are bad in residential dwellings, it didn’t happen overnight and it wasn’t the city that allowed it to happen, it was the homeowner! So they can live in disrepair,and it’s the city’s responsibility to locate agencies and find help? I don’t think so. Whatever happened to standing on your own two feet and not waiting for someone else to do all the work and clean up your mess?? This place has been going downhill for many years, the neighbors have put up with it for many years, the commission acted on what they saw after dealing with it for a year, and did anyone do anything in all this time? Then all of a sudden the city should be finding appropriate help? That doesn’t even make sense. If everyone cares so much now, this shouldn’t even have gotten this far, should never have made it to the city. That kind of action is a last resort, and I agree with what the city did. But it took that to get everyone in gear, up until then, everyone turned their heads. “
To wrote on Jun 27, 2007 10:27 AM:
” Great Post. “Mandan, partner with Bismarck to end homelessness.” Just to let you know that recently, according to the Tribune, Mandan Mayor LaMont along with Bismarck’s Mayor “expressed concern with the chronic homeless population in the area.” Check out the article at: http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/06/13/news/local/134767.txt Which side is Ken LaMont really on? I can’t tell. Never have been able to either, ever. “
Out of State wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:01 AM:
” Many of you have said things that make sense. From what I gather the homeowner is living a place that is unfit for human habitation. Folks, that makes him homeless by federal definition. No one should have to live that way! The article is unclear as to what assistance has been offered and what resources were shared with the homeowner. Was the homeowner assisted with finding resources, provided contact information, did anyone come alongside him and walk him through the processes? If anyone one of you has worked within assistance systems you know how cumbersome and confusing they can be. In fact many people give up because navigating the systems is just too difficult. To the city of Mandan, you are setting a precedent by razing this building. There are many substandard, inadequate buildings in town what will you do about them? Consider that many of the buildings contain rental units, what do you plan to do with those you displace the next time someone complains about an “eyesore” property? Develop your ordinance then follow it and enforce it for ALL property owners but also have a viable plan for what you will do to assist those who are displaced. Mandan, partner with Bismarck to end homelessness. To those interested in helping the homeowner, contact Habitat for Humanity, local churches, youth groups, etc. Contact the local Vetern’s Services Office for assistance? What about the local contrator’s, plumbers, or other unions? Are there some retired union members who would be willing to donate time, materials? Lastly, there are many reputable places where one can write for personal grants. This does work, I assisted a household in need of a new roof (that’s shingles, chimney removal and replacing the roof decking) by writing to a state business organization that provided grants to disadvantaged households in need of assistance with such things. Do some creative problem solving Mandan because as you set this precedent I believe you are opening Pandora’s box. “
My opinion wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:39 PM:
” Some Bismarck people have to always turn things around to make themselves feel better. Some of them look down upon Mandan as the “bad side of the river.” It is too bad that they feel like that and that they don’t realize that we are all the same and we all put our pants on one leg at a time. I enjoy living in Mandan and will continue to do so. “
Pest wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:32 PM:
” Where is said that this is Mandan vs. Bismarck? “
cd wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:22 PM:
” Some people are assuming that this man has no money to do things with his house - where does he get the money to support 3 dogs. I have a dog and I know how much dog food costs each month - let alone 3. This whole thing didn’t happen overnight! Look how long he had this swimming pool contraption leaning up in his front yard - maybe that was when he was in business and was advertising! There isn’t a good excuse for something getting this bad! Don’t blame the neighbors at all - who wants to smell dog poop all day and night? “
To GL wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:01 PM:
” Some of us enjoy living in Mandan, so we will continue to live here and you in Bismarck with your high and mighty attitudes can live there. Yes, Mandan does have some trailer homes that need to be cleared of all people and torched, but there are also quite a few in Bismarck that are the same. Also, there are people helping this man out, so if you are worried about him and how he is being treated, put your hands to work as much as your mouth and contact someone so you can help him out too. “
NoDak John wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:45 PM:
” Susan Beehler. Sorry I am not closer. I have a soft spot for vets, in part because I have worked with many of them. Man would I love to be able to put those City Council people through the things many of those vets existed through. It took me years to get one fellow to realize that the near death of his best friend in a “fire fight” was beyond his control. Point being is that many carry a lot more than they should without a shoulder to lean on. Many have trouble relating to “officials” because those who “led” them in battle got a lot of people killed because those “officers” were playing war games but not leading those who they were responsible for. As to the Council, you might be able to get their attention if you can determine if they actually took their oath of office, and if they signed their contract with the city. Their job description is also interesting, and if they go beyond their job description, they do not have “immunity” from prosecution. That “immunity” is a whole crock of trash, but let it go for now. You might want to look into the Paragon Foundation. They have some interesting cases which they have won against “immune” public officials over property rights. One “hyper” ambitious DC boy I know about found out just how much trouble people can get into when they over step their bounds. “
Cheese wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:14 PM:
” Where is these major department stores going? The people of Mandan wanted the small businesses to be here. “
koz wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:31 PM:
” Which major dept store has the City Commission run out of town that wanted to locate here? Kmart wanted to locate in Mandan twenty to twenty five years ago. Since that was twenty to twenty five years ago tell me how the current commission is responsible? “
GL wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:27 AM:
” dont worry about me on your side of the river. I only go when forced or when I have to travel west. I make an effort not to spend any more money in Mandan than I have to. “
To Gl wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:59 AM:
” Just stay on your side of the river. We don’t want you over here anyway with your attitude. Let your house get run down, that is fine, just as long as you don’t live by me. (By the way, I don’t live anywhere near this gentleman’s house.) I would have to say that if anyone builds a home near Kist Livestock there are going to know that it smells during different times of the month. This, however, is a different concern. These people didn’t just build their homes beside this house. They have every right to live without the stench of 3 dogs and the feces they live behind. I have a dog, but I clean up after it. “
Koz wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:54 AM:
” And folks wonder why Mandan is considered a sespool. Same folks on the city council run every major dept store that would like to come in across the river… to “protect” small business.. THEY ARE THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS!!!!!!!! They need to have a cranial/rectal inversion, and realize that THEY are not the only ones that need to flourish.. and they need to look out for the town and NOT their own financial gains…. The town is being turned into the laughing stock of the state… because of the mandan city council’s ignorance. “
mandanguy wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:40 AM:
” to all of you citing the ordinances , laws and regulations thing, remember this, in Mandan there is selective enforcement of the law. i was told this personally by the former Chief Rohr. I also recently had an issue with people parking where they were not supposed to be parking. It was signed. Guess what? They now changed to signing to allow parking there at certain times. Why was the signing there in first place? Because it is a hazard to have vehicles parking on that side of the street. The street is too narrow. Sounds like implicit consent of a hazardous situation by our City commission. Yes, it was the commission that ordered the change. Double standard? “
GL wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:36 AM:
” So the house had been in bad shape for many years? people have bought houses in the neighborhood and sold homes in this neighborhood? correct? why does the way a man decides to live his life bother people so much. I saw the video of his place. the back yard leaves something to be desired but isnt that his choice. my neighbor accross the street had a ton of junk in his yard. I called the sheriffs dept and they said that only health concernes were reason to make him get rid of his stuff. a dirt lot with 3 dogs is not a health concern. Whats next?? people will buy homes to close to Kist Livestock and then complain about the smell? I can see this one coming down the road already. Mitzel builders are going to sell homes directly in the wind path of the sale barn.. then what? will the city commish tear down Kist Livestock too? leave the poor guy alone and let him live his life the way he wants. If i dont want to paint my house I’m not going to. Or are there deeper problems here maybe? “
GL wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:30 AM:
” It is so obvious that one of the commishers or friend of an important person must live near by him. I drove buy the trailer park close to the corral sales yesterday.. there are a ton of homes there that look way worse than this poor guys house. Just another reason to never live in Mandan.. cool town for 2 days a year.. Buggies and Blues.. the other 363 days are junk. corrupt police, corrupt city commission, Its almost funny to live on this side of the river and watch the things that go on in “Little Bismarck” .. My wife and I were sort of lost on one of those strange streets and she said “wow this is actually a nice neighborhood” I replied with “yeah wait till you see the taxes and have to deal with any city official or school” “
just about ready to move wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:16 AM:
” Home owners of Mandan, be afraid be very afraid…if the city can tear your house down because they want you to replace shingles, siding, and gutter….looks like they now want to start doing with the homes in Mandan what they have done to the business on Main street…we have plenty of parking lots, and now we will have plenty of empty lots…. “
Captain Crunch wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:03 AM:
” Why does being a veteran even come up? “
cunfused 2 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:03 AM:
” Why just this house. Take a drive around Mandan there are many many residences in this town in just as bad shape or worse than this one. Sounds to me like someone who lives next to him has freinds on the city commission. If they are going to demo one than they should demo all, it’s not fair to single out this one house. The commission needs to take a step back. They won’t get so lucky the next election!! “
Come on Susan —- wrote on Jun 25, 2007 8:21 PM:
” Hey Susan B; Since you feel the need to stick up for this guy, why don’t you go live in the house with him- get up at the crack of dawn every day for (OOOOHHHH, about 3 years), work till dusk every day and see what you two get accomplished. Really now Susan, if you are any kind of a respectable grown woman , you would know that people just do not , and should not - for their own health and safety live like this. Support the City, I am sure they are only doing what is right for the health and safety of the entire city not just ONE man !! I sure hope your living conditions don’t mimic this guys??? “
To SLOTS: wrote on Jun 25, 2007 6:44 PM:
” Can you tell me why destroying this house would mean the commissioners only care about themselves? What does that do for them? The man lives in dire conditions, and up until now no one has done anything about it. The neighbors are forced to live with certain aspects of his dire conditions, as well, and up until now no one has done anything about it. A year ago neighbors alerted the city as to the circumstances of this guys housing and their own neighborhood’s affects from it. The City gave Bob several months to rectify some of this, and he didn’t do anything until the last minute, when he finally showed up at a meeting. My guess is they would much rather he had done some of the requested repairs to at least kept in touch with them and cooperate, rather than disregard this until he had to show up with a lawyer So, I have to disagree that they think only of themselves, as they don’t live on that property or near it. Like the rest of us, they could have looked the other way, but they didn’t. They dealt with an uncomfortable situation, including unhappy neighbors and now unhappy rebels. Face it, they can’t win, and you think they only think of themselves? If the shoe was on the other foot and you were one of the neighbors and the commission did nothing, then what would you say? Probably that they think only of themselves. It’s a well rehearsed line in this city, and getting tiresome. “
SLOTS wrote on Jun 25, 2007 3:59 PM:
” The commissioners only care about them selfs. They don’t care about the little guy. Oh sure they all say “ELECT ME AND I WILL LISTEN TO YOU” Once they are elected they can care less. The little guy always gets it in the rear end. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 24, 2007 12:35 PM:
” To native son, Thank you for the encouragement. Volunteers have shown up and the work will start this week, money will start flowing once paper work is finished. The clean up can start any time. We will be getting a dumpster and a storage unit and then we can get really rolling. Currently I am in Minnesota working on a downtown preservation project, with 19 other states represented here. I will be keeping tabs through cell phones and e-mail until I arrive back. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 24, 2007 12:31 PM:
” To Jeffrey, Mr Barta is out of town, so I couldn’t ask, I was in Bob’s home. I have cleaned doctors bathrooms that looked worse than his. He does not have trash about inside and he is defintely not a pack rat. Go to bbuz.biz for my report. You have to remember Barta was in this home a year ago. I have seen homes worse than his on the TV shows on houses that are being flipped or the pack rats of the world. He doesn’t have any kids and who are we to judge how someone wants to have bare living conditions. I posted quotes from Barta’s letters to Bob and no where does he bring up the inside. Nothing about Bob’s home can’t be cleaned up or completed. “
jeffrey wrote on Jun 24, 2007 9:30 AM:
” Susan, have you talked to Richard Barta? Ask him the condition of the inside of this house….If something were to happen to Mr. Thorberg while he is living in this unsanitary mess of a home you would be one of the first people to jump up and say ….Why did the City let this happen? They should have made this man bring this home up to a livable standard. I feel the City is right on the money with this one even if the letters are somewhat vague. Maybe you should ask Barta about his conversation with Thorberg. I watched your tape of the meeting on u-tube and from what I saw the City and Mayor treated him fairly and in a very professional way. I then drove by the home and if it is as bad on the inside look out. I hope he can save his home but I really hope that he can maintain it properly once it is saved. It is time to jump on a different wagon….MOVE ALONG. “
Native son wrote on Jun 24, 2007 8:52 AM:
” To Susan Beehler. Susan I don’t know you, nor if you were to run for election (City Commission) I would be unable to vote for you. I am not a resident of Mandan but I live in Morton County. I must commend you! You have done a lot of research on the Thorberg issue and information is what the public needs to be able to make good decisions. You strike me as a real go-getter, someone who is not afraid to stand up for her rights and the rights of others. I learned long ago that if you want to get something done, turn the task over to an intelligent women. As of this Sunday morning what is the current status of the situation? Have volunteers shown up to clean the yard? Has a fund been set up, with a local bank, to collect and disperse contributions? Has a local TV station been called to do a possible story? I am unable to physically work but want to donate money and be part of this worthy noble project. I personally know that because of age, illness, accidents, or financial problems a person is unable to stand on his/her own feet and needs help. I have noticed that you get a lot of criticism from some of the people who write in, pay them no heed, if we listened to them we would still be living in caves beating stones together. Fortunately the last legislature, under the leadership of good people, passed legislation preventing cities (in North Dakota) from condemning perfectly sound homes on prime land. The land would then be sold to developers to build hotels; convention centers, shopping centers etc. increasing the local tax base (This does not seem to be the case with the Thorbergs). Thank you Susan Beehler for all you have done on this unfortunate issue. “
To Susan Beehler: wrote on Jun 24, 2007 1:26 AM:
” Some articles say he only got one notice, and then I see about six or seven letters of correspondence to him, all of which would make me sit up and take notice, make some calls or get more detailed information on what should be done. I personally think he had plenty of time to show some responsibility and take some action, just the simple effort to contact the city with updates or questions, but none of that happened. I am sure that whoever inspected the interior had to be let in by Bob, and he would have heard at that time what all had to be done, as well. So did he only get one notice or not? “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 23, 2007 10:55 PM:
” To Nodak John, Bob will not be getting paid anything he will receive a bill for the demolition. His property is a lot and a half according 2006 tax bill the land is assessed at 12,100 and the building is assessed at 34,500. I do not like the fact that neighbors complained about his home and according to the letters the city gave me, they do not tell Bob specifically would is to be done except his dog kennel is not to be seen by the neighbors, I personally do not know how that would even be possible, the neigbhors have two story houses, the upper level you would see into any yard. The precedent in which a home is demolished because your neighbors complain is scary. Complaints are fine but I sure would not want to complain if my neighbor could end up losing his home first before any other remedy, this appears to be the city thinks they have told him again and again, but the letters to me seem very vague and more like you better or else, than to really specifically tell him what is expected. What exactly was his suppose to do this past year besides move the kennel? “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 23, 2007 10:41 PM:
” The letters I have copies of do not clearly state what he is supposed to do to his home and they do not say you need to come to the commission. I personally find them very vague. Here is a quote from the letters the city sent: June 14 “You, as the property owner, have the the right to appear at said meeting to voice any concerns you may have or you may contact my office at 667-3230.” May 11 You, as the porperty owner, have the right to attend the meeting and voice your intent. However, you must notify my office at 667-3232 no later than Wednesday, May 23 to be placed on the agenda. The same message was sent May 7 but no date given to be placed on the agenda; March 14 “demolition proceedings will commence on the above mention property and any costs incurred for said demoliton will be assessed to your 2007 tax statement. If you wish to further discuss this matter, please contact my office at 667-3230;February 23, Previously (enclosed copy) you had been notified that if no response was received by mid January, condemnation proceedings would commence on the above referenced propety. BE ADVISED this is your final notice; December 7 Previously September 15 th, I had written you concerning the exterior of the above referenced property and had indicated that you repair the exterior in a reasonable amount of time. To date, this is has not been completed; September 15 Consider this a written request for you to move the dog kennel to the west side and/or alley side of your property and clean up the area the kennel is currently occupying or remove it. However, I do not want it placed ……. so neighbors will not have to look at it out their windows; August 2, obtain a permit for a remodel on the above referenced property. “
Problem fixed…….. wrote on Jun 23, 2007 4:56 PM:
” Ulmer will do what is right- He is a great guy and as soon as Mandan uses him to their advantage , only then will they realize what they have in him. I seen the video on this man’s home and I know the feeling of not really having a home- SO I HAVE TO RENT!! Stop it with the “poor guy” - he had alot of years to clean up this mess and did nothing. There is a house on South 12th St. in Bismarck that should have the same thing done to it. If you can’t afford it, get rid of it so someone else can build something nice….. WHY would you even want to own something that looked so horrible? Let the city demolish it - sell the land , pay the city what you owe them to get rid of it , and get yourself a nice little rental place. “
lw wrote on Jun 23, 2007 4:38 PM:
” I just watched one of the youtube clips of the city meetings. This is quite disturbing for a number of reasons. First of all, that house isn’t the nicest thing to look at but I was expecting FAR worse when you start talking about evicting someone and demolishing their house. Secondly, the man didn’t appear to me to be defiant or to be disrespectful. Maybe not as polished as the board members but polish doesn’t make a person right or wrong, good or bad. He’s an elderly man and maybe just didn’t remember an earlier notice or quite possibly didn’t get one, as he said. He answered the questions asked of him but I noticed the one board member just kept asking the same questions over again. Sometimes people do that to give others the impression that it hasn’t been answered. In regards to the interior of the house - it’s hard to believe that a decision of this magnitude is being based solely on the opinion of one person. If the exterior is shaped up some (it doesn’t need to be perfect unless the rest of Mandan and Bismarck are going to follow suit) but in all honesty, the interior is really no one’s business. As long as there are no children in the home and no illegal activity, his housekeeping is his business. There’s a ton of women out there who leave a lot to desire when it comes to that issue and most of them have kids in the house. So where are the bleach police for them?? I smell a big, fat, rat and it isn’t coming from this man’s house - it’s coming from watching this meeting and it being perfectly obvious that there’s something else going on. I don’t live in Mandan, never have. But I’m going to keep an eye on this because the man is a veteran and I don’t see anything that says he’s being treated right. “
NoDak John wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:04 PM:
” How much is a building site, in that area ,worth? Keep a close eye on this one and see what they give him for the site and what they charge him for the demolition of the building. Someone needs to get to Jimmy Carter and see about building a “housing for humanity” home for him in an area of his choosing. “
calm down? wrote on Jun 23, 2007 9:32 AM:
” Decide for your self who needed to calm down. Check out the video of Mayor LaMont, the Police Chief, and Susan Beehler at: www.youtube.com/preservemandan “
Oh PUH-LEEZ! wrote on Jun 23, 2007 8:22 AM:
” “Bob has done more for our country than they ever will put together. ” OK, so how about he do something for his NEIGHBORS & COMMUNITY, and clean up his odoriforous property?? If he were in Bismarck, the city would not let him off~~why should Mandan let an eyesore go on? “
My opinion wrote on Jun 23, 2007 6:02 AM:
” Okay, I understand where all of you are coming from about him being a Vet. I appreciate the fact that he and many others fought for our freedom. However, I think some people are getting their minds clouded because of this fact. This man had 1 whole year to clean this mess up. Why did he not go to the meetings that he was asked to be at within that year and say he was working on getting help/financing? He did not make an effort to show them he was serious until now when it could be too late. I appreciate the fact that many people are willing to help him out, but can he or will he maintain it. All the blame is being projected onto the commission, but what did this gentleman do to help himself? Also, if he is unable to do this upkeep himself, perhaps he should not be living there and may need to go to an apartment or something where there is not so much upkeep. I agree that there are some trailers and some houses that need to be taken care of too, either condemned, remodeled or just plain finish building, as in the case of the house on Collins and also one out by Fort Lincoln School. I just think we need to go about this with unclouded minds and do what is best for this gentleman. “
Supermom wrote on Jun 23, 2007 4:29 AM:
” I have not been following this story, because i have been out of town, but watching the video it doesnt seem to be in such unfixable, horrible condition. There are definitely worse conditioned apartments, houses, trailers, etc. in BOTH Bismarck and Mandan. So why is everyone making it out to be such a disaster? I really hope enough people step up together and help out this man. Afterall he did step up when he was asked to while in service for OUR country!!! Yes I do agree there are some vets out there that do use their vet title to get stuff, and sympathy but it doesnt seem to be the case here. I am very interested in helping out. When I disgussed it with my family we are all on board to go pick up some paint brushes or help anyway we can!!! If someone can give some information on how we can be of assistance it would be appreciated. There are many construction companies out there that could bring a crew even just for an hour or two and make a world of difference, one hour will not break you guys financially!! Just think of the good publicity you would receive! Afterall, you construction companies know what you are doing and can instruct volunteers and people like me who have no idea how to renavate a home.Come on people have heart and help this man out. It is HIS HOME!!!!!!!!!!!! “
To Susan Beehler: wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:10 AM:
” Weren’t you instrumental in getting the commission meetings taped, and isn’t there a video of you during one of the meetings having to have the police chief stand by you and try to get you to calm down? Didn’t you offer to train any volunteers to tape the meetings? “
To petitioner: wrote on Jun 23, 2007 12:07 AM:
” Hats off to our vets, yes. But being a vet does not give someone the right to ignore warnings from the city anymore than being a senator or congressman or state employee does. Yes, we all value and respect our vets, but they still must live under the city laws, like everyone else. What is your personal beef here? Recall because the city made a decision that doesn’t meet with your approval? You sound like a bit of a rebel. Can I expect to see your name on the ballot for a city seat when the election comes up? Put up or shut up. I know - you miss the dancing girls! Most of this negativity toward the commission started when that decision was made, but you really need to take that out on the voters, because they are the ones that closed that entertainment down. Or maybe you just like to see a lot of uproar, it gives you something to do and fills up your life. “
Petitioner wrote on Jun 22, 2007 10:48 PM:
” I think its time for a recall. I know that Bob is a vet. I know that some of the commissioners are not, my guess is that none of them are. They live in their own little cocoon, get a pay check from BSC, BCBS, whatever. Bob has done more for our country than they ever will put together. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:52 PM:
” To to amazed, I have been at every city commission except May 29 and June 5. Are you? Out of those city commission meetings how many times have I been in front of any camera? My role most of my life has been to behind a camera, obviously you know very little about me. I felt strongly about this issue and I will speak up. Will you speak up publicly for what you believe in or when you feel something is an injustice? “
The Problem: wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:45 PM:
” To Mandan home town: Well said. Whenever the commission makes a decision that doesn’t please everyone, they scream recall. I think we need to learn to work together, respect others opinions and positions, and look at all sides. To those who scream recall when it doesn’t go their way, wonder how many jobs they go through, or spouses!! We don’t all think alike, and as far as I know, I wouldn’t want to be a government official, not now, not ever, because you will never please everyone. “
mandan home town wrote on Jun 22, 2007 3:24 PM:
” Time for a recall, lets not be stupid. The commission did this man a huge favor. With out the action taken by the commission the public support for this man and his home would not be taking place. Many people are coming foward to volunteer time and money. I support the idea of helping this man and I plan on being there tonight but I also feel the commission did what they had to at the time, Lets put the political bashing aside and direct our energy towards helping Mr. Thourberg!! “
Yessirree wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:56 PM:
” He’s looking for pity and I’m tired of SOME of the vets taking advantage of society. Clean up your stuff like everyone else or ask for help - not difficult! “
Petitioner wrote on Jun 22, 2007 2:39 PM:
” Time for another recall??? “
citizen wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:27 PM:
” Leave it to the Mandan Commissioners to want to bring in housing for sex offenders and junkies but overly willing to get rid of one of our own. Makes me not so proud to call Mandan my home. WAY TO GO COMMISSIONERS! WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “
Hit wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:36 AM:
” Ordinances are only as good as they are enforcement. Mandan has many ordinances and laws on the book but there is nobody and/or agency is enforcing them. So why create more rules until an action plan is placed and enforced to follow-up with the current ordinances and laws. “
Chet wrote on Jun 22, 2007 11:36 AM:
” Donate and help this man? How he is going to keep this house after so many have given their time and finances to him? Is he able to care for this house? Does he have the physical ability and the financial means to keep this house up after this work is down? Owning a house is hard work and does take money and it is not for everyone. “
To “To Amazed” wrote on Jun 22, 2007 9:50 AM:
” I agree that the inside of the house must just be in pretty tough shape. But the home owner, I believe, is just a guy in need of some help. If this story would not have made the papers he would not be receiving all these offers of help. I honestly don’t believe that he would have received 90% of these offers except that he is a Vet. Had be been a down and out retired dishwasher, help would probally be harder to come by. Having said that, Thorberg has not gone public begging for help or donations, he is gratefully accepting what is being offered. He DOES NOT have to, under any condition, show the public what the inside of his home looks like. There are days, I don’t want anybody seeing what my home looks like, much less the entire community. Either offer to help, or leave the guy alone. As for Susan, well… in the end, cameras or not, she’s part of Mandan’s community, and like her or not, at least she gets off her butt. I have no idea who this woman is but I admire her for not just being all talk. I bet she will actually be working on this home in the 100 degree weather we will be having this weekend. will you be there? “
To Amazed wrote on Jun 22, 2007 8:03 AM:
” I too find it amazing! amazing that this video did not show the inside of the house and they were not let in to video it.. Anyone who nows Richard Barta knows that he is one of the most easy going people there is to work with and he would rather not push anything. This house must be real bad because he would not go through any un necessary work if he did not have to. Susan why don’t you go around town and help fix the other homes that need repair before there is a camera crew on-site. I find it amazing that you are always there when the camera is on. And what about the old Post office? How is your fund raising going to have it moved? Oh sorry I forgot no camera no Susan! I hope this man can save his home but it should not have taken this to get him to come before the commission or Barta to work something out. Please show everyone what the INSIDE of this house looks like! “
Amazed wrote on Jun 21, 2007 10:41 PM:
” What is the problem with this house. Just saw the video on the Tribune site and was really amazed. In some parts of the country, this house would considered a mansion. “
Rocker wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:46 PM:
” What is goin on back there? I grew up in Mandan and still have brothers there.All I see is the tearing down and demolition of my hometown.Help this guy out.Where are all the christians? oh yeah they are busy hating.I will keep an eye out for where to send any money and inform my Star and Tribune friends to pick up this story,Mandan needs new direction and new people in charge.What a bunch of idiots running that town literally into the ground. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:38 PM:
” Calling all troops, neighbors who want to help! A group of supporters has been organized. We will meet in front of his home Friday at 5:30pm. Wear red to show your support for our military those who are serving and have served. We will take a stand in silence. We will also be there with a plan, on how we will build up and help this vet. Be There! To keep in the loop go to bbuz.biz and e-mail me. “
Proceed with caution wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 PM:
” I am all for helping people whenever and wherever it is needed but please be careful how this help is given. I do not live in Mandan, am unfamiliar with his home and do not know Mr. Thornberg. Some services which he may be on will require reporting of ANY forms of income, funds etc. If Mr. Thornberg is receiving certain types of assistance from VA, Social Services, Social Security disabilty, fuel assistance etc there are financial limits and he could be cut off from the services he desperately needs long term. The story indicates he has an attorney so it may not be a bad idea to check with him about his personal situation. “
Bob Farley wrote on Jun 21, 2007 7:47 PM:
” to “Come on, Fess up”….. Despite your superior logic and undeniable mastery of our language, don’t you think you’re reaching a bit when you claim the original author’s intent was using the idiom to draw a parallel of “do-gooders” to vermin? Now that I’ve said that I can go back to using the Pumping Lemma to prove some languages are context free. “
To Soldiers’ Angels wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:47 PM:
” I have some lawnwork that needs doing…doggie doo, weeds, etc. Also, I’d love it if you could roll your troops inside to also do some ironing! Darn stuff just always piles up & makes my laundry room a mess. TIA for your offer to help all Fellow North Dakotans! >kiss kiss “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:15 PM:
” to to fess up Hmm! the city commission makes their decisions on the ordinance book? Did you know there is no updated ordinance book? The best I can figure out the book was last updated in 1994. I have not seen the city commission make their decisions on law and ordinances, I have seen them make decisions based on the recomendation of the motion in the agenda packet they receive, from the employees of the city. This decision was based on Barta’s recommendation. I was a do gooder who pointed out another alternative. This city commission is so prideful, they do not want anyone to defy their first decision whether or not it makes more sense for the citizens or not. July 31st would not have been the end of the world, they couldn’t or wouldn’t, it had little to do with law. The ordinance allows for the city to also contract to do the work to bring it up to standard, the city choose to invest in destruction vs restoration. Either way the property will be accessed the $7500 and the taxpayers will pay for it, or the city will let it sit for 5 years and sell it to one of their contractors friends for a buck. Our city comission seems to operate more on a good ol boy system than the law. “
to homeoowner wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:05 PM:
” love the comment about Barta… since he has been buying up foreclosing property in Mandan under his relatives names… sounds like a little corruption??? “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 21, 2007 5:05 PM:
” To Native Son: Thanks for the compliment. We usually keep our stories for ourselves. “
The Problem: wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:54 PM:
” I still have to ask, even if this house can be brought to a safe and livable standard, will the bank cooperate? And what will the value be, as someone said the mortgage exceeds the value right now, whether that is true or not I don’t know. The recent video did not show the inside, and I have to think that the decision to demolish this home was not based on a little siding and gutter problem, but rather on the structure as a whole. No matter how much new material is added to the outside or inside, the basic structure must be sound, and we are not sure that is the case. So is it worth all the fixing it would take? This appears more than just a remodel job, so before funds are gathered and volunteers are commited, someone needs to verify that the projected repairs will make the house structurally legal, that the house meets safety codes and is not a fire trap, that’s all. “
Come on, Fess up wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:52 PM:
” to “fessup”– Oops, you lose! “
To “Fess up”: wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:41 PM:
” The point I was trying to make, which obviously you didn’t get, was that the commission made a decision based on ordinances and laws, and had the potential volunteers that are showing up on these blogs showed up at the meeting with their commitments to help, the commission may have decided differently. But the community interest didn’t show up until AFTER the meeting, and certainly couldn’t have been predicted. So quit bashing the commission for their decision based on the issue as it presented itself at the meeting. My other point is that no matter what action they would have taken, it would have offended someone, and would have brought forth negative comments in other directions, had they ignored the complaints, or let the guy slide. It doesn’t matter what they would have done, there would have been something wrong with their decision. Put your negative energy into positive action. Your negative sarcasm is not accomplishing anything. “
Home Owner wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:21 PM:
” Check out the news. The Pictures Don’t indcate Destroying a mans HOME. Is Barta or one of his family members looking for a lot??? “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:18 PM:
” To readers: We just posted a new Thorberg story and video. Check the updates at the top of the page next to the photo for the new story. The link to the video of Thorberg and his home is below at the top of the story. “
Come on, Fess up wrote on Jun 21, 2007 4:02 PM:
” To “fessup”— You must have skipped the “Introduction to Logic” class at wherever you received your post-secondary education. The etymology of the idiom “come out of the woodwork” is based on the idea of insects that suddenly come out from under boards in a house where they have been hidden. “Do-gooders” has been defined as “someone devoted to the promotion of human welfare and to social reforms.” Careful when you shout your mouth off, you might just shoot yourself in the foot. Snide, smart-aleck remarks from your type is most certainly a compliment to me. Thank you! Keep them coming, good Citizen Servant of Mandan! “
Soldiers’ Angels wrote on Jun 21, 2007 3:56 PM:
” soldiers’ angels on board— putting our money where our mouth is at— we are $$$tepping up! Who else is???? any of you folks that really want to get involved - there is a fund being set up and volunteers can contact soldiersangelsprteam@gmail.com we are working with key figures to get rolling with this. Sure, I understand that this place may be an eyesore– but, did the neighbors offer to knock on his door to see if he needed any help? THIS IS NORTH DAKOTA!!! we take care of one another. I do not know this man, but i do understand the veterans and have made it my business as they have sacrificed alot for my freedom. Go and talk to a vietnam vet— iraqi vet– etc—– they all deserve our respect and OUR respect. “The nation that forgets its defenders, itself will be forgotten.” calvin coolidge “
Outside Looking In wrote on Jun 21, 2007 3:48 PM:
” From a good number of these posts, it seems to me that a lot of the negative attitude towards the decision by the city commission is from ones who either have a bone to pick with the commission or from those that always find fault in what the commission does. If the commission ruled that the citizens should have a wonderful day, you people would fight them on it and demand that they have a terrible day. Many of you are not looking at the situation realisticlly. YOU have voted in prior commissioners who have created laws, rules, and regulations for everyone to follow. YOU have approved and accepted these laws, rules, and regulations. Yet, now, when the current commission and city administration follow those laws, rules, and regulations; you jump all over them. If you didn’t like the action taken, you should have changed the process prior to the action. “
guardwife wrote on Jun 21, 2007 3:43 PM:
” I agree, the focus needs to be on the “person” not the the house. Let’s get him some help. I am sure he knows his house needs to be demolished, but when you have no resources to help you get a different place and no one willing to help, you stay put, no matter how bad it is. We do not know his medical issues but lets start looking at helping the “man” and forget about the house if it is not “fixable.” “
The Captain wrote on Jun 21, 2007 3:34 PM:
” To Tara, that is a knee-jerk reaction - you read a brief report on something and jump to a conclusion without knowing all the info. I agree, as I said earlier, that this individual needs assistance, just not with the house. This demolishing someone’s home sounds beyond inhumane, but that isn’t case. The focus for these “do-gooders” should be the individual, not the house. The house is just a symptom of greater issues. He needs to be in a place suitable for him, and that place isn’t it. Nobody that thinks he should keep possession of the house has addressed the issue of the bank and the issue of foreclosure. Fixing the house would be fixing it up for the lender to take back. “
To “Come on, Fess up!” wrote on Jun 21, 2007 3:11 PM:
” –Interesting use of that phrase, isn’t it vermin that “come out of the woodwork.” — So, therefore, the “do-gooders” are vermin in your mind. This is the strangest thought process I’ve seen here yet. Awesome!! Keep it coming!! “
Come on, Fess up! wrote on Jun 21, 2007 2:13 PM:
” — To “fessup”— The interesting tone of your post paints most Mandan Citizens as the heartless “I Got Mine, Now Go Get Yours” type. It is obvious by these posts, that SOME Citizens of Mandan want to help others in their Community. You said, “And how did the commission know that so many do-gooders would come out of the woodwork?” Maybe they could have asked. Much of what the City Commission does remains somewhat occult (hidden.) You use “Do-Gooders” as a derogatory term. Well you got yours, don’t worry about anyone else. If the City Commission is the “Authority” you speak of, they only have the “Authority” given to them by the Citizens. They are not given ABSOLUTE “Authority” by the Citizens, including the “do-gooders” who have come out of the “woodwork.” –Interesting use of that phrase, isn’t it vermin that “come out of the woodwork.” — So, therefore, the “do-gooders” are vermin in your mind. – That must be the “positive support” you want us to give to each other. — Also, even the use of spell check would not caught the error I made when I typed, “TV ads by MPO are enough when you muff it like this time.” I meant, “TV ads by MPO are not enough when you muff it like this time.” (Sorry, Jill!) “
The Problem: wrote on Jun 21, 2007 2:12 PM:
” Tarra, that is awesome!! It is nice to see special groups helping their own causes or groups they believe in (the vets) and I have much respect for you and what you are doing. I don’t think being a vet excludes abiding by government rules and requests, as some thought throughout the blogs, but I do think being a vet and being helped by groups for that purpose is just neat. We all have our special interests, and your group is so definitely for the red,white and blue, which is to be highly regarded and commended. Keep up the good work. “
funny thing wrote on Jun 21, 2007 2:10 PM:
” I have always and will always consider myself to be one of those bleeding heart liberals yet……..I have to side with the neighbors and the city commission on this one. I will also side with the neighbors on Collins Ave if and when their turn comes. All of this energy need to go tiwards finding this guy a comfortable place to live that he won’t have to be responsible for. “
Common Sense wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:50 PM:
” Yep, this guy’s house is a shack and needs to go and no he will not be homeless! The house on Collins that everyone seems to mention, to my knowledge has never been addressed by the City Commission meeting before nor has the owner ever been asked to respond regarding the mess. That particular house has been a “work in progress” for quite sometime but is not by any means falling over. I also live in Mandan in a beautiful older home. I have stamped concrete, a landscaped lawn, and a renovated interior all accomplished via me and “Mr. Sweat Equity”. Granted I have no illnesses that prevent me from working on my home however, if I did I would find a way of prevailing. Unfortunately my beautiful home, is surrounded by neighbors who have passed away and who’s homes were purchased by Slum Lords and rented. The two homes that join my lot to are rented by people that only mow their yards when I call their property owners and threaten to call the city. They also need to be painted and have a lot of TLC. Yes, Mandan needs stronger property upkeep requirements and these requirements need teeth on the backside. Quite frankly I would prefer to look at a vacant lot with no garbage piled up on it or living in it! “
On the other hand wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:45 PM:
” So many of you are rallying around this condemned home. Great! Go ahead, help those that won’t help themselves. Fix up the home. Spend hours and hours of labor. Buy whatever is needed to bring the home up to code. Rally all. But once you finish this home, stay together. There are other homes in Mandan that need fixing up. There are others in Mandan that need help. If you really are serious about helping out your fellow man and all; step up to the plate and keep batting. Because there are MANY more! “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard (PT 2) wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:33 PM:
” I don’t care about the city commission or the mayor or the neighbors or any other issue here. I am not here to bash anyone. I am not even CLOSE to being a “liberal” as someone stated. I am a human being who wants to reach out to another human being and believe that I can do something for him through a program that we’re just getting started in ND (Help On The Homefront with the North Dakota Patriot Guard Riders). It is our wish to assist the Veterans’ community by taking a proactive role in the societies they protect and defend. North Dakota Patriot Guard wishes to serve all heroes; not only the ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice but also the one whose life has been forever changed by the actions and events of his service to the United States of America. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard (PT 1) wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:32 PM:
” This is definitely not a knee jerk reaction from me. This is a situation that I knew nothing about before reading this article. This is a situation that I, and many others, wish to help with. Does that mean we can save his house? I don’t know because I have not seen his house. Does that mean that we can do whatever we CAN do to help him to have a home to live in even if it doesn’t mean this house? Absolutely. We can help him find a place, fix a place, move, whatever it takes. Homelessness is a REAL issue even for folks here in North Dakota and social services, community action, welfare, and even the programs established for veterans are not always able to provide the help needed. I will tell you what IS a knee jerk reaction. It’s a knee jerk reaction to assume that this man is LAZY or unwilling to help himself. Do you know that to be true? Do you know that he does not have any medical conditions (including mental, depression, PTSD, etc) that stand present even more obstacles for him? I don’t. And I am not going to assume that he does but I am also most definitely not going to assume that he is simply LAZY. “
To “fess up”: wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:11 PM:
” I totally disagree. The city commission did what they had to do with what information they had! The guy didn’t respond to them, so they proceeded. Why can anyone be allowed to blow off government or anyone else? He should have responded, at least. And how did the commission know that so many do-gooders would come out of the woodwork? Had they asked the community to pitch in for this, it would have been yet another onslaught of negative “why should we have to do this for him, when we have repairs of our own to make…” Yeah, I can hear it now. So many like to argue that if someone says black is black, they say black is white, so had the commission taken any other route, it would be the same slamming from the same people. What if they hadn’t acted? I can hear that, too, “how come he gets away with it, and doesn’t have to follow through with the commission requests, I sure wouldn’t be able to do that…” Don’t you get it? Some people just simply buck any type of authority in any way they can, and keep creating negative atmosphere’s. The population of Mandan is expert at that. I, for one, don’t think they “blew” it, I think that if this poor guy’s situation has been so bad for so long, the current do-gooders “blew” it and should have helped him long ago. They didn’t know about the situation? Well, neither did the commission until they got complaints. Oh, yeah, and if they would have blown off the complaints from the neighbors or whoever, can you imagine the comments that would have come from that? Face it, this is one negative nasty batch of people against any move anyone in a place of authority makes. I’m just a lowly little citizen who would like to see some positive support in this city. What the world has happened to us? “
Come on, Fess up! wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:02 PM:
” –To: “Nobody wants you” – If you are serious about raising money to help folks move out of Mandan, will you and ScArY SuSaN and Sick of Diatribe, add me to list? With neighbors like you, Mandan is not a safe place to live. “
The Captain wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:51 PM:
” The outside was recently cleaned, I’d guess in preparation for the hearing. Again, the bank is the owner of the home and the one taking a hit. I sincerely appreciate what members of the armed services have done for our great country, but serving does not give the license to disobey statutes. What is happening in this forum is a knee jerk reaction to a situation nobody is comfortable with without objectively looking at the actual facts of the situation. If you want to help him the best solution would be to get him any necessary medical treatment that may be necessary and get him in a living arrangement he can handle. The house is not habitable nor saleable. If someone paid the 60K to get the house livable and up to code the place would more than likely be in disrepair shortly. My heart goes out to this individual, but this has to be done. “
Come on, Fess up! wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:48 PM:
” —To the Mandan City Commission: Come on, fess up and tell us you really blew this one. The NEGATIVE PR created by your action on this matter is starting a groundswell against which some of us perceive as your anti-Common Citizen leadership. Tear-down and demolish have become your catch words. TV ads by MPO are enough when you muff it like this time. Were you angry because the Veteran Thorberg didn’t reply to your city department’s demands? Some of us Mandan Citizens are on fixed incomes and it might take longer than your interpretation of our vague city codes to raise the money required. I SURE hope you do not start these inspections house to house in our older homes downtown. The excavation companies will be busy until 2012! Confession is good for the Soul. Try it! “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:48 PM:
” To nobody wants you, How nasty! I have not run twice for Mayor. I would use any political position to make a positive difference, it is not about power, control or prestige, or needing to be “wanted”, it is about PEOPLE. I care about Mandan and the people that live here. I even have pity on your close minded attitude. I will be praying for a change in your heart! Build up don’t tear down. We need more building up in Mandan not more destruction and demolition or more empty lots. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:38 PM:
” Sal, you have some valid points, if the house is fixed up, he would be able to choose when he wants to move to another place and it would also give him time to find housing. From many of the comments I think many are naive about accessing services for the elderly and needy persons. Waiting lists for housing are very common. Mr. Thornberg has looked for housing and has found no help yet. Tara I am with you let’s unite the community and your fellow soldiers. Let’s do something good for this vet. My e-mail is suzybbuzz@bis.midco.net and website is www.bbuz.biz. “
**IT Happens** wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:33 PM:
” Nobody wants you: That is just a horribly rude comment. Susan is just trying to help. I havent agreed with everything shes ever said either but it is painfully obvious to me that she wants to make a difference. Who cares if she is disagreeing with the commission, in case you havent noticed there are quite a few on here that dont care for many of the things they are doing. Perhaps you should try helping people out once in a while. Id be willing to wager Susan has already done more for this man then you have done to help anyone other then yourself in the past 10 years. GROW UP! “
Nobody wants you wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:04 PM:
” Susan Beehler, you go live there for a month and see how it is and report back to all of us. Better yet, offer the neighbors a fair market value for their house and you live next door to this residence. You ALWAYS take the other side of the fence against the city commissioners. You’ve ran twice and LOST. If it’s so bad here, please move to another city. I would donate to the moving fund for you. “
The problem: wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:58 AM:
” I am just wondering, has anyone actually researched the shape of the structure, and can it even feasibly be brought back to safe conditions? By agreeing to help out in making repairs, will it turn out to be an entire rebuild, like they do on TV? Is there a sound structure to begin with? Is the frame solid, or is it rotting away? Someone needs to evaluate if this remodel can even be accomplished with the existing framework and interior walls, or just how deep will repairs have to go create a solid structure through and through, not just a new toilet and carpet? “
Like it wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:53 AM:
” Just because someone is a vet doesn’t mean that are to give up one themselves and become lazy. They still have to pull their weight in society. They already get preference at all government jobs. “
Help wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:48 AM:
” Sal brings up some good points. I hope everyone takes a moment to answer these questions to see where this guy should live. “
Better Spelling! wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:29 AM:
” To: ScArY SuSaN wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:19 AM: . . . You appear to be a “shallow” and “shameless” individual. “
Mandan wrote on Jun 21, 2007 11:18 AM:
” I know the house on collins has been an eyesore for about 7 years and when I went to Barta and complained about my neighbor out near old red trail I also mentioned the home on Collins. Barta said that what he asked the owner on collins to do which was fix the retaining wall and some other things were accomplished so they did not move forward with eviction. If a person shows any progress at all during the time frame given to them which is usually 45-90 days then they are left alone. My neighbors place has looked awful for over 12 years and not much has changed. Supposedly he told Barta that he was working on it but when I followed up he had not done anything. According to Barta there was not a current building permit because it had not been renewed in over 6 years so I guess you can have a permit for years. When a family member got a building permit in mandan for new windows the city stayed on them every other month until they were completed even though due to weather issues it took a little longer than planned. Just because this guy is a vet does not mean he should not follow the same rules but I see others that are physically capable of finishing their eyesores not getting evicted. They have done it to thorberg then they better do it to collins and the guy out by me. “
Another Vet wrote on Jun 21, 2007 10:54 AM:
” “LaMont said. “For what it’s worth, he is not going to be homeless. He’s a veteran. He can be taken care of; we can follow through on that with Social Services.” The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help. We’ll demolish your home, give you a nice shelter to live in. “
Sal wrote on Jun 21, 2007 10:30 AM:
” It is awesome that people want to help this man out. I am all for helping others but in turn people need to help themselves too. There are other parts of this issue though. Once the place is fixed up, how and why would he take care of it? He has already proven that he can’t care for the house that it is beyond his means financially and physically. What is this house going to look like in 3 – 5 years? Where is he going to get the $$ to continue the up keep of this house? How many more houses will we see go downward if people think that if they don’t take care of their house that people will donate money and labor to fix up their house? Owning a house is a big responsibility and it is not for everyone. Someone on a limited income and/or doesn’t have the physical ability to care for a house maybe would be better off renting vs owning. “
Tarra, ND Patriot Guard wrote on Jun 21, 2007 10:18 AM:
” The fact that this man is a vet does a lot more than just “create a soft spot in our hearts”. It IS relevant to groups like US, the North Dakota Patriot Guard. The North Dakota Patriot Guard Riders are willing to help out in any way we can. Please contact me at tarra@ndpatriotguard.org so we can discuss and make a plan. No hate mail folks. I want those who wish to help to email me and that’s it. Thanks, Tarra Hartl - tarra@ndpatriotguard.org ND State Services Captain North Dakota Patriot Guard www.ndpatriotguard.org “
TO JEFF wrote on Jun 21, 2007 10:17 AM:
” Have YOU seen the inside of this house? “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:49 AM:
” to ScAry Susan, I is gona try to get ever word spell bes, nex time, golly cause that is must improtant spellin and that their spellcheck when talkin’ to someone so refined as youar self Give me a break! “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:42 AM:
” To CDog and other good hearted neighbors go to bbuz.biz and send me an e-mail if you are serious about helping Mr. Thornberg. I have talked to and will be meeting with him to access what is needed to restore his home. We will need donations of carpet, flooring, cleaning products along with lots of workers. E-mail me through the site above and we will set a meeting time for Friday eveing. Mr. Thornberg is currently trying to find housing if he is evicted and his home is demolished. He has gone to several agencies and no housing is currently availble at this time. Will you help? “
uppity wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:37 AM:
” We are in a democratic nation. In cases where consensus is overwhelmingly negative against an elected body, there are procedures for recall. “
Jeff wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:19 AM:
” Common people, cry and complain but way don’t each one of you offer to have this man live with you for a month? Have you seen the inside of this house? It is not fit for man nor beast, You ask for the City to start making Mandan look good, fix the streets, help this poor guy out, But don’t raise my taxes to do it! I think this is one of the first times that I have seen Barta do his job! Why would he do that? Maybe because he finally knows that if he does his job and inforces the laws and ordiances that are on the books in Mandan that the commission will back him up, That they do not waver and now he can finally do his job because someone is not over ruling him. It is easy to feel sorry for Mr. Thornberg but It must be mighty tough to be a commissioner in Mandan because most of you cry and complain at there every move. WAY TOO GO CITY, And Thanks Barta for finally doing your job! “
ScArY SuSaN wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:19 AM:
” I think Ms. Beehler would better serve the public by brushing up on her grammar & punctuation skills = ) Remember, spell-check is your friend! “
New Mandan Resident wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:19 AM:
” My take on this is there could have been better action taken by both sides. But lets put all arguements aside and take some action. Could the people of Mandan raise $5000 to $8000 in cash, donated materials, and inkind services. I think so!! I have the tools and skill to do most home improvements and will volunteer both. I will start the donations with $100 cash out of my pocket. We need someone who has connections with a bank to set up an account for donations. If someone can get this done, do so and get the word out. If we move fast I believe the city would give us the chance to help this man. Its not about who is right or wrong but this is an opportunity for our community to rise and help someone who needs help. I dont believe in goverment handouts but i do believe in communities coming togather to help. thats how thing were done in my grandparents day, communities came togather and helped their neigbors. “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 21, 2007 9:08 AM:
” To Soldier: This story may move to the top commented list, but it depends on readers. The top commented list is generated automatically based on the number of comments posted in 24 hours. We are going to try to follow up on the story, possibly today. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 21, 2007 8:34 AM:
” I have been at ever commission meeting except June 5 and May 29, the one the city voted to demolish this home. Never has this home or any home been on the city agenda or been brought up during a commission meeting. I have personally brought up our need for a maintainence code not the vague ordaniance the city is using to evict and demolish this house. I am writing for a attorney general’s opinion on this meeting and the procedure use. The 14-09 code on substandard specificly states 30 days from the date of service before any order to repair or demolish. According to the minutes May 14 was the date of service. The city could assess his property for repairs, instead they will be charging him $7500 for the demo, we the taxpayers will be paying, if the house can be restored I would rather have my taxes go for restoration. The city has torn down several buildings not based on structural soundness but it is far easier to destroy than restore. I will be posting the video clip of the Thorberg action on youtube/preservemandan in the next couple of days. The tape of the meeting will also be available through Community Access and shown this Sunday eve on cable 12. “
cdog wrote on Jun 21, 2007 8:22 AM:
” I’m thinking that someone needs to move quickly and set up an organizational meeting at someplace. Like maybe the Library. That way Mr. Thorberg isn’t inundated with people knocking onhis door constantly. Also, our help might be moot if the City won’t rescind the demolition award. I would love to check it out but can’t. You see i was retaliated against at work by a commissioner, so I need to remain anonymous. I will however, be there in spades to work, loan tools whatever. Why? Because Mr. Thorberg is a fellow soldier and we don’t let this kind of thing happen to ur buddies when we know about it. To you nay sayers out there, I’m not asking for your sympathy or even your help. I think there are alot of things that need to be fixed in Mandan and am trying to help, not just complaining. “
To Dennis Miller wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:46 AM:
” You DO realize that 1 individual can post under a variety of aliases, correct?? Your percentages are incorrect, unless you would like the Trib to get you numbers for each unique user….then, your percentages would have some teeth & meaning. “
To Mandan Resident wrote on Jun 21, 2007 5:38 AM:
” I agree with you about that house on Collins. It is an eyesore. I cringed everytime I had to drive past it (obviously can’t now that the road is tore up). As for the new middle school, it is needed, there is no doubt about that. I am not excited for my taxes to go up, however, when it is for something that is sorely needed, then I don’t mind it as much. “
Incredulous wrote on Jun 21, 2007 2:54 AM:
” I agree with the last post. The fact that he is a vet is truly irrelevant, other than to create a soft spot in some hearts. Vet or no vet, he is required to follow the law and the city’s recommendations to fix up his home by a date certain. He has failed to do so. Also, I doubt Mr. Pulkabrek is taking any money for his services or, if he is, it’s most likely certainly a reduced-fee case. Lawyers looking to get rich don’t take cases like this. Should we feel bad for the evictee? Yes. Should we feel especially sorry for him because he’s a vet? No. It’s irrelevant, unless it’s a factor in his mental illness, which indicates he is unable to live without assistance. “
Still return to Mandan wrote on Jun 21, 2007 1:06 AM:
” I moved out of state a number of years ago. I return to visit family and friends in Mandan a few times a year. I can not believe that a town would want to distroy someones home. I know that the house has been in the family at least 70 years. I planned on moving back to Mandan in the future to help with family members when needed. Why!! Why would I want to come back to a place that does not care about the people that live there. I used to be proud of the place I grew up in, one that would help people when they were in need. I know that he had a year to fix things up. Ok, he started fixing the roof last fall. Do you think that maybe knowing that people don’t give a damn about you may be a major factor in cleaning up your house. If someone is out to get you and don’t forget that they have connections with the city commisson, what are your options. It sure would be nice for the people to the south of Mr. Thorberg to all of a sudden get the extended yard that they have always wanted. Watch and see if they do distory his house who gets the land!!!! If they wanted a bigger yard they should move to the country, not steal a man’s life. “
To Mandan Resident wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:16 AM:
” Boy do I agree with you. I read the address in thr article at least 10 times this morning and still, I could only picture the house on Collins Ave. I still surprised that it hasn’t fell over on top of the neighbors to the south (those poor neighbors). They started the remodel on that home when I was living in Mandan 8-9 years ago and it’s still a huge mess. How long are building permits good for? I also drove by the home on 6th Ave today, not good, but neither is the one 2 blocks south. I do not think the city of Mandan would vote to demolish a home that only needs shingles, siding, sheetrock and a toilet. This home must be past resonable repair. In the meantime, Mandan, help those neighbors on Collins and either fine or evict if that homeowner doesn’t make things right soon. No one who pays property taxes should have to live next to or across from that mess. “
Dennis L.Miller wrote on Jun 21, 2007 12:02 AM:
” I have just reviewed all of the comments on this story.58 were positive in support of Mr. Thorberg., 28 were negative.It is obvious that the city has plans for this property.Perhaps for a multiunit apartment complex on this large lot.It’s time for the mayor,Dick Barta , and other commissioners to be honest with their intent with the property.It is also time for them to resind their votes and let those who are willing to upgrade this property begin. Mr. Thorberg has people who have pledged to assist. Commissioners, please BACK OFF!!!!!!! “
To Mandan Resident: wrote on Jun 20, 2007 11:42 PM:
” Yes, this guy is a vet, and I admire and am beholding to all vets, but that doesn’t mean he can disregard warnings and meetings anymore than the next guy. The city acted on information in front of them, like anyone does. So you think we should forgo a much needed school because of one house? Disregard the majority of the voters who feel a decent school is important? You want to sentence the kids to go to school in a place which is in also in disrepair and has safety issues and concerns!!! Listen to yourself. I sincerely hope if the property is salvagable, it happens. If not, this guy is not being “put out on the street” (oh, such drama)!! There are agencies and resources to help get him into decent, safe and comfortable housing. Again, listen to yourself. This happened in Minot and it backfired. Not saying it will here, but other cities deal with the same problems. The commission didn’t let the house get to this condition, and the commission didn’t log the complaints. “
The problem: wrote on Jun 20, 2007 11:25 PM:
” The problem here is that no one has seen the inside. Maybe some new siding can hide the rough exterior, but if the inside is not sound, what good would it do? Can this man care for himself? Would his life be easier in an apt? Maybe the house means a lot to him. There are always two sides. I am sure that the city commission based their decision on much more information than was stated in the article, and there are probably lots of circumstances we don’t know about. However, if he can care for himself and the obsticle has been money, hindsight says he should have gone to the commission months ago and stated his problems and attempts to fix them. But he didn’t, so we deal with what’s in front of us. No one could help him if they didn’t know how. If the community wants to fix this house up, if that’s even possible, then start making commitments. Ben, the lawyer, can help him for free. Other service agnecies can check options for housing other than the current house. Those having to do community service can be assigned to this house with whatever skills they possess. Get organized, get commitments, and pick a date for the community to show up. Businesses can donate supplies. Grocery stores can donate cold drinks and sandwiches to the volunteers. Churches can be on the lookout for furniture. Banks - where are you? If this community wants to help this guy, and the house is repairable, then get ‘er done. But up until now all the commission knew was that $1300 was NOT going to make the house safe and liveable, and this guy did not have the means to make the repairs. “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 20, 2007 11:02 PM:
” To to: The Tribune prefers posters to be anonymous. We could force readers to set up accounts, but it would be nearly impossible to verify any person’s identity. That would cause many more problems than people posting anonymous. “
To wrote on Jun 20, 2007 10:59 PM:
” Which businesses are you referring to that were “kicked out”? On the note of this house, it’s not like the commission just voted one day to tear it down, they gave him a year and he never even showed up to the meetings, and they were acting on complaints from the neighbors, not the pure joy of destruction like some of these posts suggest. I think the Tribune should switch to requiring users to be setup instead of anonymous postings, then there might be some usable stuff here rather than people trashing each other sitting proudly behind their keyboards. “
Let’s Go!! wrote on Jun 20, 2007 10:49 PM:
” OK So, what can we do to help this man? Is it a done deal - he is getting evicted - or is there time to step in and help? I know many people that would do the work, the labor, and perhaps we can come up with some money as well. We need some **HELP ON THE HOMEFRONT** here folks. I don’t give a rat’s about the city commission or the neighbors or all the other things you folks are arguing about. I want to see us reaching out to a veteran in a time of need, when other “resources” are either out of reach, unavailable, or whatever… If only we had known sooner. Something could have been done. There is support for our vets out here - not welfare or any program - just regular old people willing to step in and lend a hand. Our veterans shouldn’t have to beg for help. We should be giving them the help, the honor, and the respect they deserve. They stood for us. Now let’s stand for them. “
Gov’t wrote on Jun 20, 2007 10:29 PM:
” This is a city gov’t not social services. The liberal mindset of always having someone there to “GIVE” you something is flawed. Do something for yourself! I have lived next to homes like the one described and a year of smelly disgusting eyesoars is a long long time to wait for someone to get it together. “
To This is Ridiculous wrote on Jun 20, 2007 10:10 PM:
” The pink house you are talking about was in the process of being fixed up, I believe, however, it has now been awhile since I have seen any progress on it. I don’t know what happened, but you are right, it is a little worse than this gentleman’s. “
Mandan resident wrote on Jun 20, 2007 9:25 PM:
” As a resident of Mandan I am embarrased to admit I live here. We have several houses in Mandan that look worse than this house. What about the house on Collins that has been in the process of building for 10 years I don’t hear anyone complaining about that mess. I think if the owners want the help we should give it to them. I am sick of the city officials doing what ever they want. First they kick out businesses and tear their buildings down and now this. All the “promote Mandan” commercials in the world can not help you when people know how messed up this city is. There are certain “friends” of the city that get everything handed to the on a silver platter but if you are not one of those “friends” of the city god help you. I hope these officials are really proud of themselves for putting a man that faught for their freedom out on the street. Maybe we should build one less multi million dollar school and give some tax breaks and maybe a lot more people could afford to fix their homes. “
Stepper wrote on Jun 20, 2007 9:18 PM:
” I am so impressed and proud of those people coming forward offering to help this man. I am so overwhelmed and a burst of pride came over me…wow! I am physically unable to help but if there is fund set up, I can contribute…just post where to and, of course, I can pray for Mr. Thorberg and for the decent people trying to help. Only in America! God bless you all. “
**IT Happens** wrote on Jun 20, 2007 8:43 PM:
” I too drove by this house and I myself didnt see how it would take much to fix the outside Most of the work could be done in less then a couple of days by 1 or 2 people. The inside I will admit I did not see. I hate to see the poor guy lose his house, and I know nothing about him. Can anyone answer the question if he is disabled? or just too elderly to care for himself? I know its a bad thing but really sometimes with age you just have to let go and put elderly people under someone elses care. Ive had to do it, many of us have, we dont like it but there comes a time where you have no choice in the matter. HOWEVER! If this man is sound and fully able to care for himself and money has been his only problem, well then C-dog or Susan B, you can count me in, I will gladly volunteer my time and tools to help this poor guy who has fallen through the cracks. “
Online Editor wrote on Jun 20, 2007 8:42 PM:
” To nearby neighor: No place in the story is a petition mentioned. The city’s action was a result of neighbors complaining, not a petition that was circulated. “
nearby neighor wrote on Jun 20, 2007 7:55 PM:
” I just can’t fathom the distress that this man is going through. The petetion that everybody is talking about, I have never seen or been asked to sign. It is in place only as selfish greed.. They should be ashamed of themselves.. Furthermore, if the city or county displaces someone, then they better darn well make sure that all the services are in place for a better environment than the one that is being destroyed…I would like to see the so called petition and the names in print. Lets get it all on the table. “
Terry wrote on Jun 20, 2007 7:43 PM:
” Mandan does it again! First they tear down every thing down town, no the go after the home owners. Mr. Lamont your and your city commission SUK!!! You have Mandan a laughing stock again. What a bunch of losers you are. I’D HAVE TO SAY TO EVERY ONE THAT OWNS A HOME, FIX IT UP OR THE DUMMIES WILL TEAR IT DOWN! I HOPE THIS GOES NATIONAL!! MANDAN THE CITY THAT KEEPS GETTING LOWER!!!! PS BARTA YOU SHOULD RETIRE! “
This is ridiculous! wrote on Jun 20, 2007 7:41 PM:
” Ok folks, I just drove by this house too. I’m not going to say that it’s the best kept house around town, but I’m also willing to bet it’s not the worst either. I drove through the alley also, geez it’s not that bad. I expected much worse after reading the article. How does the city have the right to do this??? I say enough of us are upset about this, let’s do something about it. Drive 2 blocks south, look at the pink house….now that’s an eyesore!! Drive through the alley there! If they are going to do it to one….look out Mandan….more is coming…how ridiculous! Money talks I guess. “
What Next wrote on Jun 20, 2007 7:06 PM:
” Now that the City Commission decided to take a person’s property and put them out in the street, what is next? I bet to pay for the demolition, the City will take ownership of the lot and give a special deal to one of their builder/developer friends. Of course the City Comission will gain more more tax revenue from the redeveloped property, but a person is in the street. “
former bis/man resident wrote on Jun 20, 2007 6:49 PM:
” i was born and raised in the bis/man area and though out my life i’d go to mandan and has anyone ever thought about tearing down the businesses on Main Ave in mandan thats what i consider a sight for sore eyes i realize that the city was going for a western look but wow considering the conditions of those buildings they should all be demolished and rebuilt. i realize that every city has houses, and buildings that are inhibital and have seen many of these houses and buildings in both bis/man and in the f-m area get remodeled and have a fresh look. i believe that this gentleman’s home can be saved with some time and effort. and i know that there is an agency through voc-rehab that picks 5 homes in the area that needs to be fixed up and does it for free i know this because my mom’s house qualified and had new siding put on it and had some other things done to it. its just sad to see how a city can evict some one from their home for whatever reason for their own personal greed. the city commissioners should take a look at the rest of the city and take care of that first. “
Former MDN native wrote on Jun 20, 2007 6:40 PM:
” I go back to MDN every summer to visit my relatives and everytime I go back all we see is the population aging, not enough opportunities for younger people. Pretty soon there will be alot of Mr. Thorberg’s as your population continues to age without help of the younger generation. When you are old and on a fixed income it can easily take a year to save money for repairs and when you go from organization to organization for help and keep getting turned down, you lose hope. I have personnally met this man, have walked by his yard numerous times on my visits back to Mandan and I didn’t see anything different in his yard or house that I didn’t see on every block in the older areas of Mandan. I know Mandan can do better for it’s own and it’s a shame that this story was not news worthy until the 11th hour and the point of no return for this gentleman. “
Good grief wrote on Jun 20, 2007 5:13 PM:
” This vet fought bravely for the very same people that are evicting him from his home. Just how do you explain this to the men and women in the armed forces that are fighting for our freedoms and national security? Do you say, go fight and if you get wounded and can’t support yourself, do’nt plan on buying a home. Because if you can’t take care of it, guess what, we’ll evict you? Too bad if that makes you homeless? This is supposed to be the way local government treats our hero’s? I’m gonna do more than just sound off about this. After i hurl my guts out about this , I’m gonna go to the man’s house and offer to help. Why is it that when tough times hit good people, it’s the people to the rescue and not the government? I’ll tell you why, if you don’t fit in to their selfish plans, you become an opponent, and what happens to you? You get told to move on. Shame Mandan, I’ll see to it I don’t spend a red cent in your unfiar city, and I’ll make sure friends and family won’t either. “
Truly Sad Story wrote on Jun 20, 2007 5:07 PM:
” I agree that it is heartbreaking that the city has decided to take his home, however, based on the story it seems that the house is unbelievable. There are many services that can help Thorberg. It will be better this way first of all he doesn’t have to care for a home, taxes, yard, utilities, and so on, an apartment will be perfect. Morton County Social Services & Morton County Housing I’m sure will help. What would have happen if he was injured who would know, the neighbors? Seems they didn’t want to help before (Maybe I’m wrong & Thorberg didn’t want the help, who knows) I for one am a homeowner & wouldn’t want this type of home near mine. However, I’m friendly with my neighbors & would offer a hand to help. “
Patriot wrote on Jun 20, 2007 5:06 PM:
” I cannot believe that this man that served our country and fought for people like you and I, is getting this kind of treatment. You (courts) arent the only ones though who are too quick to forget what our veterens did for us. If this man was in dire straits and those of you in authority knew about this a long time ago,why wasn’t the public informed? Are we not suppose to take care of our own? I am sure there would have been some type of non-profit organization that would have been willing to lend a helping hand, in fact I can name two for sure. I for one would lend a helping hand. A veteren deserves a whole lot more respect and gratitude than that. “
mandanguy wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:56 PM:
” not haitable? Have you been in the house Captain? According to Barta, the only thing that would be needed to abate the situation would be to install siding. The article did not say there was exrememnt on the INTERIOR where he lives. You can clea up the exterior. I drove by through the alley. Looks fine to me. Looks like alot of cleaning has been completed. As far as the exterior, it appears that all the shingling has been completed except for the small overhang which probably would need to be replaced. The sanitary condition and smell that the neighbors complained probably came from the dog waste in the yard, which is now gone. “
Incredulous wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:50 PM:
” I think the bottom line is that this man seems mentally ill and unable to care for himself. This would explain his failure to respond to the inquiries and requests and his inability to maintain his property. He was probably so overwhelmed that he couldn’t deal with it. While it’s terrible that they’re condeming his home, maybe he’ll get the services he needs, since he’s unable to live on his own without any assistance. All the repairs in the world won’t get to the heart of this man’s issues. “
The Captain wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:02 PM:
” Couple comments. First, the house is simply not habitable. This isn’t a quick fix, throw up some paint… The house is rotting away from animal excrement sitting there for years. There has to be walls, solid floors… to begin. Second, he had over a year to do something. When do you say enough is enough. Third, there is a mortgage on the home for more than it is worth. It’s not like the city is taking away his home, he has no equity in it. The bank is the one stuck. The sympathy should go to the lender. It’s a crappy situation and I hate to see anyone in such a circumstance, but a decision had to be made. I applaud the commissioners for making the prudent choice by doing what was best for the community. “
Susan Beehler wrote on Jun 20, 2007 3:39 PM:
” To Kev, I am not looking to make a “smart” move, my motivation is from my heart not politics. The guy ask till July 31st would that extension been the end of the world, NO. The city commission is using too much might. Do you take a army tank out to squish a bug? The city has more options and could make other choices. As far as if kids were living there, you may have not seen how slow protective services works, Mandan has fire death traps, landlords call homes where children are living and I have photos to show what most would find appalling, it happens and is happening, much easier to turn a blind eye for most. This vet was singled out because of the heat a neighbor put on the city commission to do something, the “something” did not have to be demolition but after all this city commission finds it easiest to destroy rather restore. “
I’ll help wrote on Jun 20, 2007 3:24 PM:
” If it’s not too late- I would be willing to pitch in to help this guy out. Perhaps the guard could organize such an event. “
Old Minot Resident wrote on Jun 20, 2007 3:14 PM:
” I lived in Minot at the time when the city sent people to help out the lady commonly know as “Cat Lady”. She had close to 100 cats living randomly in and around her home. After several originazations came to her aid to help clean and fix up her home, she was very unwilling to help herself or keep up with the cleaning and repairs. She also resented the help she received so after several years her house was finally demolished. But that was after serveral attempts from the city and residents to help someone who didn’t want the help. If this gentleman needs and wants the help then why not try and help repair his home. Only after attempts are made to help him and he is unwilling to maintain the upkeep of the place should demolish be the last restore. “
Disabled American Veteran! wrote on Jun 20, 2007 3:01 PM:
” I am a Disabled Vietnam Veteran, I am all for renovating Robert Thorberg’s home. But, if “push comes to shove,” there are V.A. program’s available for disabled American Veteran’s that could be used to make his home more liveable. There are also program’s available through the Veteran’s Administration that can help him find and pay for an apartment somewhere of his chosing. The wheels of government turn slowly, especially the Veteran’s Administration. If Thorberg is granted enough time to contact the V.A., I am sure something can be worked out to Thorberg’s advantage. It is unfortunate that Thorberg didn’t contact the veteran’s Administratioin before this got so out of hand. But, I guess it is better late, than never! “
Soldier wrote on Jun 20, 2007 2:59 PM:
” To Read to Pitch in: I will definately be watching this artice for the next few weeks. I just really hope that we are not to late. “
Native son wrote on Jun 20, 2007 2:41 PM:
” Like most of you was curious. I have just come back from 405 6th Avenue NW. I wanted to see the home the Mandan City Commissioners want to demolish thus evicting the resident who obviously does not want to go. I parked in front to the home and then drove down the alley. Mr. Thorberg obviously does not want to lose his home. The home looks structurally sound, it looks better then I imagined. It definitely needs new shingles. The gutters do not immediately need to be replaced, just removed. The yard is unkempt, but with help could be cleaned in a day or less. Removing the dog run would take about the same amount of time. Some of the siding needs to be replaced but I don’t believe all of it has to go. If the toilets, shower, tub and sinks need to be replaced, just do it. Paint is not expensive. I realize when you modernize or remodel an old home you will